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Yes, yes and so are vehicles running with flux capacitors and anti gravity devices and those have about the same relevance in the car market. Even the most pro

Yes, yes and so are vehicles running with flux capacitors and anti gravity devices and those have about the same relevance in the car market. Even the most pro hydrogen people have essentially given up on the car market. Hydrogen vehicles have failed so spectacularly in the market that anybody who still believes in them now is either straight up delusional or has some vested interest. The hope remains alive in the heavy duty truck market but even there is not looking good and just like in cars they will get their ass kicked. So my advice for the pro hydrogen crowed, is start claiming hydrogen is great for trucks for a few years and once that gig stops being credibly move on to ships.

_hypx 3y ago
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- panick21_ 3y ago
  Pff you are so devoid of real world knowlage is astonishing. Hydrogen cars have been on sale for decades. But lucky for the car companies that build them, nobody wants to buy that trash so they advertise them at below cost. These car don't even have real production lines, the volume is to low to actually invest in a serious production line. Go and actually compare real world sales. Like actually go look at the real world. In the real world BEV sales are increasing 50% year over year and is already many millions every year. Hydrogen car sales are a couple 1000 at best. And most of those are not even to real costumers but pilot programs and things like that. Tesla produces about as many Model Y a week as global hydrogen car sales per year. Hydrogen cars are a totally irrelevant rounding error. Why would anybody buy a car when there are almost no actual gas stations. Toyota is clearly not willing to build gas stations themselves on a large scale. What company in your mind will spend 10 to 100s of billions to out a hydrogen fueling infrastructure
  - _hypx 3y ago
    A claim that is categorically false. The Mirai was the first commercially available FCEV, and that happened around 2014. Meanwhile, BEVs are older than internal combustion cars. The whole argument could easily be a repeat of the argument in favor of diesel cars. There was a time when millions of them sold per year, and BEVs were just a round error at the time. But the facts don't change: diesel cars are unsustainable and had major fundamental limitations. The answer became the BEV, despite being sold in nearly no quantities at the time. This time around, it is become clear that BEVs are also unsustainable, and have their own limitations. And it doesn't matter how many millions it sell. There need for something even better than the BEV still exists, and that will be the catalyst for FCEV sales. One of the biggest upside is that they are in reality much simpler and lighter than BEVs. A FCEV will cost no more than internal combustion cars to build. And because it refuels so fast, it can easily be a car for everyone, and not just people with garages. As a result, it is a matter of when and not if it replaces BEVs.

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panick21_ 3y ago
Pff you are so devoid of real world knowlage is astonishing. Hydrogen cars have been on sale for decades. But lucky for the car companies that build them, nobody wants to buy that trash so they advertise them at below cost. These car don't even have real production lines, the volume is to low to actually invest in a serious production line. Go and actually compare real world sales. Like actually go look at the real world. In the real world BEV sales are increasing 50% year over year and is already many millions every year. Hydrogen car sales are a couple 1000 at best. And most of those are not even to real costumers but pilot programs and things like that. Tesla produces about as many Model Y a week as global hydrogen car sales per year. Hydrogen cars are a totally irrelevant rounding error. Why would anybody buy a car when there are almost no actual gas stations. Toyota is clearly not willing to build gas stations themselves on a large scale. What company in your mind will spend 10 to 100s of billions to out a hydrogen fueling infrastructure
- _hypx 3y ago
  A claim that is categorically false. The Mirai was the first commercially available FCEV, and that happened around 2014. Meanwhile, BEVs are older than internal combustion cars. The whole argument could easily be a repeat of the argument in favor of diesel cars. There was a time when millions of them sold per year, and BEVs were just a round error at the time. But the facts don't change: diesel cars are unsustainable and had major fundamental limitations. The answer became the BEV, despite being sold in nearly no quantities at the time. This time around, it is become clear that BEVs are also unsustainable, and have their own limitations. And it doesn't matter how many millions it sell. There need for something even better than the BEV still exists, and that will be the catalyst for FCEV sales. One of the biggest upside is that they are in reality much simpler and lighter than BEVs. A FCEV will cost no more than internal combustion cars to build. And because it refuels so fast, it can easily be a car for everyone, and not just people with garages. As a result, it is a matter of when and not if it replaces BEVs.