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I'm no fan of China or Huawei (quite the opposite in fact), but I'd like to pause and inject a dose of skepticism into the conversation. Bloomberg's previous p

I'm no fan of China or Huawei (quite the opposite in fact), but I'd like to pause and inject a dose of skepticism into the conversation. Bloomberg's previous piece about China installing tiny chips onto server hardware to spy on tech giants was called out as a big lie: - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... - https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro-call-bloomberg-retract-china-spy-chip-story/ https://siliconangle.com/2018/10/22/apple-amazon-super-micro... Now we have a similarly sensational story about China coming from them. Should we trust them? Or is this just another small skirmish in the larger information war being waged between USA vs China around the world right now. A war where truth was the first casualty.

azinman2 3y ago
Well we know that Huawei fully stole Nortel’s IP as well as Cisco’s software. So it’s not exactly a squeaky clean company.
- nekitamo 3y ago
  China and Huawei are extremely sketchy and have committed all sorts of corruption and theft. They deserve to be viewed with suspicion and sanctioned. That doesn’t make this story true though. Particularly when you consider how discredited this particular journalist’s previous story about China was.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    (from another comment) TDC has stated to Danish media that they "recognize parts of the story" but have refused to elaborate. They haven't wished to refute any parts either. https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-06-16-tdc-genkender-dele-af-historie-om-kinesisk-spionage https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-06-16-tdc-genkender-del...
    - sterlind 3y ago
      in contrast, the Supermicro story was strongly and vehemently denied by all players - not just refusals to comment, but CEOs outright saying that the story was false. the reaction this time is more in line with the story being accurate.
      - NicoJuicy 3y ago
        What does Supermicro have to do with this? That "story" wasn't really credible from the start. This is about a goal oriented Chinese spy op in Denmark related to 5G.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  We don't actually know that about Nortel. It's rumored that someone broke into Nortel's internal networks, but there's nothing to say it was Huawei. This also had nothing to do with Nortel's collapse, which was caused by its own massive failings. The Cisco software issue was pretty minor, and was settled almost 20 years ago.
  - jauer 3y ago
    You can look at some cards from a Nortel OME 6500 (Nortel's flagship product at the time) and a Huawei OptiX OSN 9500 and see a familial resemblance that does not exist between cards from Nortel/Ciena and their US/EU/IL competitors... Nobody commenting on this article has blamed Huawei for Nortel's collapse yet you keep bringing up that it wasn't Huawei's fault. Why is that?
    - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
      Because that's the standard claim that's made, usually as a justification for driving Huawei out of business using sanctions.
threeseed 3y ago
The systemic theft of IP from the China government and corporations is not deniable. There are countless examples not just from the US but EU, Australia, Canada etc.

azinman2 3y ago

Well we know that Huawei fully stole Nortel’s IP as well as Cisco’s software. So it’s not exactly a squeaky clean company.

nekitamo 3y ago
China and Huawei are extremely sketchy and have committed all sorts of corruption and theft. They deserve to be viewed with suspicion and sanctioned. That doesn’t make this story true though. Particularly when you consider how discredited this particular journalist’s previous story about China was.
- NicoJuicy 3y ago
  (from another comment) TDC has stated to Danish media that they "recognize parts of the story" but have refused to elaborate. They haven't wished to refute any parts either. https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-06-16-tdc-genkender-dele-af-historie-om-kinesisk-spionage https://nyheder.tv2.dk/business/2023-06-16-tdc-genkender-del...
  - sterlind 3y ago
    in contrast, the Supermicro story was strongly and vehemently denied by all players - not just refusals to comment, but CEOs outright saying that the story was false. the reaction this time is more in line with the story being accurate.
    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      What does Supermicro have to do with this? That "story" wasn't really credible from the start. This is about a goal oriented Chinese spy op in Denmark related to 5G.
DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
We don't actually know that about Nortel. It's rumored that someone broke into Nortel's internal networks, but there's nothing to say it was Huawei. This also had nothing to do with Nortel's collapse, which was caused by its own massive failings. The Cisco software issue was pretty minor, and was settled almost 20 years ago.
- jauer 3y ago
  You can look at some cards from a Nortel OME 6500 (Nortel's flagship product at the time) and a Huawei OptiX OSN 9500 and see a familial resemblance that does not exist between cards from Nortel/Ciena and their US/EU/IL competitors... Nobody commenting on this article has blamed Huawei for Nortel's collapse yet you keep bringing up that it wasn't Huawei's fault. Why is that?
  - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
    Because that's the standard claim that's made, usually as a justification for driving Huawei out of business using sanctions.

threeseed 3y ago

The systemic theft of IP from the China government and corporations is not deniable. There are countless examples not just from the US but EU, Australia, Canada etc.