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While I don't want to defend the chinese government. I would like to point to the history of the US of extensive proxy wars, spying campaigns against supposed a
by cycomanic 3y ago
While I don't want to defend the chinese government. I would like to point to the history of the US of extensive proxy wars, spying campaigns against supposed allies (and this was going on for years before the German spying became public, i.e. Echolon and how Boening seem to have manage to just undercut airbus bits for some time), pressuring allies to change (or even break their own) laws for US cooperate interest (e.g. the saga around Pirate Bay in Sweden). Or the cases of abductions into dark prisons for torture. What is most interesting around this is the outrage about the Chinese spying and the complete absence of consequences for the ones aiding the US efforts (the 2 guys in Denmark are being in court for leaking details of the investigation, while nobody is being prosecuted for actually leaking state secrets)
- threeseed 3y agoThe big difference with the US is that there is a free press, independent judiciary, clear separation between government and corporations and democracy so there are frequent changes of government with different attitudes towards the issues you raise. China has none of those. And they really do matter.
- mardifoufs 3y agoAll of those didn't matter for the million dead Iraqis. They only matter for Americans themselves, not for the victims of America
- kjs3 3y agoWhile I don't want to defend the chinese government Yes you do. That what butwhataboutism is all about.
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