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Yeah, they are the ones with hundreds military bases all over the world, constantly invading/bombing other nations, staging coups, sponsoring terr^H^H^H freedom

by vasac 3y ago

Yeah, they are the ones with hundreds military bases all over the world, constantly invading/bombing other nations, staging coups, sponsoring terr^H^H^H freedom fighters...

transcriptase 3y ago
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- deleted 3y ago
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- Gunnerhead 3y ago
  Can we please keep the “you’re a paid bot” accusations on Reddit? I love reading contrarian comments on HN, even if they might be a little controversial. Accusing people of that will just make legitimate users shy away from posting opposing views lest they be called a shill. It’s also against the HN guidelines: “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - lazyeye 3y ago
    Pointing out forum manipulation doesnt degrade discussions nearly as much as the forum manipulation itself. Its an extremely serious issue and we should be able to discuss it.
  - transcriptase 3y ago
    My apologies. Though it was in jest, you’re right and doesn’t add to the discussion.
- FpUser 3y ago
  Do you get extra karma for ad hominem?
ethbr0 3y ago
Give it 30 years. First comes military parity. Then come politicians who think it'd be a grand idea to use that to drive more favorable bargains. Then come politicians who figure it'd be better off if they just controlled the whole thing.
TechBro8615 3y ago
The US has military bases in countries that have agreed to host them, and in many cases even asked for them. Meanwhile China hasn't got permission for the secret police stations it's been setting up around the world. China and the US both understand how to acquire power by carrying a big stick. The difference is that the US also knows how to speak softly to retain it. That's why the US projects power with cooperation and diplomacy, while China relies on coercion and deceit.
- johndhi 3y ago
  Is this true? I just don't know how to verify this information. What reliable sources can I read to lead to such a conclusion?
  - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
    No, it's not. Counterexamples are easy to find. Everyone has heard of Guantanamo Bay. The Cuban government isn't happy about the presence of a US military base on their territory.
- FpUser 3y ago
  You have conveniently avoided invasions, bombings etc.
- vasac 3y ago
  Sure, US speaks softly at first, and when they don't get what they asked for, then they pull that big stick. Now, you may think that's nice behavior but that's because you didn't end up on the receiving end of that stick. But there's still hope as it looks like you don't condone similar behavior when it comes from someone else besides US.
NicoJuicy 3y ago
Every close to sea neighbor ( and further) of China is actually threatened by China and as such, maintains US relations. The core problem in this case is China. Not someone willing to help because there is a clear problem with China.
pkphilip 3y ago
Why is the parent comment being downvotted? US has indeed been a huge problem for many countries around the world

by vasac 3y ago

Yeah, they are the ones with hundreds military bases all over the world, constantly invading/bombing other nations, staging coups, sponsoring terr^H^H^H freedom fighters...

transcriptase 3y ago

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Gunnerhead 3y ago
Can we please keep the “you’re a paid bot” accusations on Reddit? I love reading contrarian comments on HN, even if they might be a little controversial. Accusing people of that will just make legitimate users shy away from posting opposing views lest they be called a shill. It’s also against the HN guidelines: “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- lazyeye 3y ago
  Pointing out forum manipulation doesnt degrade discussions nearly as much as the forum manipulation itself. Its an extremely serious issue and we should be able to discuss it.
- transcriptase 3y ago
  My apologies. Though it was in jest, you’re right and doesn’t add to the discussion.
FpUser 3y ago
Do you get extra karma for ad hominem?

ethbr0 3y ago

Give it 30 years. First comes military parity. Then come politicians who think it'd be a grand idea to use that to drive more favorable bargains. Then come politicians who figure it'd be better off if they just controlled the whole thing.

TechBro8615 3y ago

The US has military bases in countries that have agreed to host them, and in many cases even asked for them. Meanwhile China hasn't got permission for the secret police stations it's been setting up around the world. China and the US both understand how to acquire power by carrying a big stick. The difference is that the US also knows how to speak softly to retain it. That's why the US projects power with cooperation and diplomacy, while China relies on coercion and deceit.

johndhi 3y ago
Is this true? I just don't know how to verify this information. What reliable sources can I read to lead to such a conclusion?
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  No, it's not. Counterexamples are easy to find. Everyone has heard of Guantanamo Bay. The Cuban government isn't happy about the presence of a US military base on their territory.
FpUser 3y ago
You have conveniently avoided invasions, bombings etc.
vasac 3y ago
Sure, US speaks softly at first, and when they don't get what they asked for, then they pull that big stick. Now, you may think that's nice behavior but that's because you didn't end up on the receiving end of that stick. But there's still hope as it looks like you don't condone similar behavior when it comes from someone else besides US.

NicoJuicy 3y ago

Every close to sea neighbor ( and further) of China is actually threatened by China and as such, maintains US relations. The core problem in this case is China. Not someone willing to help because there is a clear problem with China.

pkphilip 3y ago

Why is the parent comment being downvotted? US has indeed been a huge problem for many countries around the world