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> You can just dose on HCG for a month and your natural levels will come back. That is the broscience consensus, but it's not as bulletproof as people like to

> You can just dose on HCG for a month and your natural levels will come back. That is the broscience consensus, but it's not as bulletproof as people like to believe. It will probably work for a 25 year old after 1-2 months of dabbling, but the TRT forums are full of stories where these tricks don’t work or stop working after extended use. The tricks are not guaranteed like some of the forums or sketchy TRT clinics will claim. Atrophy can be permanent after relatively moderate periods, even with all of the HCG and SERM tricks.

adrr 3y ago
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- mlyle 3y ago
  I'm not a fan of "data is the plural of anecdotes". But if we're talking about deciding whether a bad outcome can happen: A few credible anecdotes are sufficiently convincing on this question.
- angoragoats 3y ago
  You made a claim, gave zero evidence whatsoever for that claim, and the grandparent response included a retort with at least a mention of anecdotal evidence. Now you’re getting pissy because they didn’t provide a study?
  - adrr 3y ago
    We’re talking about defined treatments and FDA approved drugs/treatments. HCG is approved for males for hormone replacement. Its up to the poster to prove the FDA is incorrect. heres study on sperm production which is directly linked to t levels. Conclusion: The most suitable option with the current data available is hCG with or without hMG/FSH. Testosterone supplementation should be avoided, but if they are already on it, it is still possible for a return of normal sperm production within 1 year after discontinuing testosterone. Ho CCK and Tan HM. Treatment of the hypogonadal infertile male-A review. Sex Med Rev 2013;1:42-49. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27784559/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27784559/
ryanwaggoner 3y ago
I’m 40, was on for a year, then went off for a year. Levels of both natural testosterone and sperm count recovered in less than six months (could have been much less, didn’t test again until then), but those first few weeks really sucked.
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adrr 3y ago

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mlyle 3y ago
I'm not a fan of "data is the plural of anecdotes". But if we're talking about deciding whether a bad outcome can happen: A few credible anecdotes are sufficiently convincing on this question.
angoragoats 3y ago
You made a claim, gave zero evidence whatsoever for that claim, and the grandparent response included a retort with at least a mention of anecdotal evidence. Now you’re getting pissy because they didn’t provide a study?
- adrr 3y ago
  We’re talking about defined treatments and FDA approved drugs/treatments. HCG is approved for males for hormone replacement. Its up to the poster to prove the FDA is incorrect. heres study on sperm production which is directly linked to t levels. Conclusion: The most suitable option with the current data available is hCG with or without hMG/FSH. Testosterone supplementation should be avoided, but if they are already on it, it is still possible for a return of normal sperm production within 1 year after discontinuing testosterone. Ho CCK and Tan HM. Treatment of the hypogonadal infertile male-A review. Sex Med Rev 2013;1:42-49. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27784559/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27784559/

ryanwaggoner 3y ago

I’m 40, was on for a year, then went off for a year. Levels of both natural testosterone and sperm count recovered in less than six months (could have been much less, didn’t test again until then), but those first few weeks really sucked.

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