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China really is the single greatest threat to global peace and freedom. What they cannot buy, they steal, and what they cannot steal, they threaten and intimida

China really is the single greatest threat to global peace and freedom. What they cannot buy, they steal, and what they cannot steal, they threaten and intimidate. IP theft is just the tip of the iceberg, don't forget Chinese police stations in western countries, and infiltration through universities. There is enough, reasonable, logical, and very well investigated information that points to China as a serious bad actor. A clear and present danger to global security.

vaidhy 3y ago
hmm.. every country capable of doing this does this. Does not make it right.. but singling out china is just drinking too much of kool aid.
- LordShredda 3y ago
  China should be made an example of
  - vaidhy 3y ago
    Maybe the biggest offender should be made an example of??
    - Incipient 3y ago
      Yeah. China. The difference with China is that it's a deliberate coordinated plan from a single entity; the Chinese government. Essentially they're one mega-monopoly with incredible power without even a whiff of altruism.
      - s5300 3y ago
        [dead]
      - quantum_state 3y ago
        Snowden used to work for that single entity too …
      - snapcaster 3y ago
        Really? You can't think of any other country that might have started tons of wars and be a "threat to global freedom"? Maybe even a greater offender than China (who did they invade in last 50 years again? forgot)
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antiviral 3y ago
See this: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... "At the same time, the Chinese government is seeking to become the world’s greatest superpower through predatory lending and business practices, systematic theft of intellectual property, and brazen cyber intrusions." And just recently: https://apnews.com/article/korea-samsung-china-copycat-semiconductor-bfdf3ad9f817f646d0d47294f62e334f https://apnews.com/article/korea-samsung-china-copycat-semic... "South Korean prosecutors have arrested and indicted a former executive of Samsung Electronics suspected of stealing trade secrets while attempting to establish a copycat computer chip plant in China." There are literally hundreds of articles like this - and it's been going on for decades. But the behavior alleged in this article seems even more blatent and aggressive than the past, and perhaps a foreshadowing of what is to come in the near future.
vasac 3y ago
Yeah, they are the ones with hundreds military bases all over the world, constantly invading/bombing other nations, staging coups, sponsoring terr^H^H^H freedom fighters...
- transcriptase 3y ago
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  - Gunnerhead 3y ago
    Can we please keep the “you’re a paid bot” accusations on Reddit? I love reading contrarian comments on HN, even if they might be a little controversial. Accusing people of that will just make legitimate users shy away from posting opposing views lest they be called a shill. It’s also against the HN guidelines: “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - lazyeye 3y ago
      Pointing out forum manipulation doesnt degrade discussions nearly as much as the forum manipulation itself. Its an extremely serious issue and we should be able to discuss it.
    - transcriptase 3y ago
      My apologies. Though it was in jest, you’re right and doesn’t add to the discussion.
  - FpUser 3y ago
    Do you get extra karma for ad hominem?
monkeycantype 3y ago
I know speaking in abstract or on a high level is difficult, but I believe whenever we speak of the actions of the government of China and aligned businesses as ‘China’ we strengthen a narrative that they use of clash of civilisations, that legitimises them as ‘China’ and anyone in China opposed to them as ‘foreign backed subversives’
cycomanic 3y ago
While I don't want to defend the chinese government. I would like to point to the history of the US of extensive proxy wars, spying campaigns against supposed allies (and this was going on for years before the German spying became public, i.e. Echolon and how Boening seem to have manage to just undercut airbus bits for some time), pressuring allies to change (or even break their own) laws for US cooperate interest (e.g. the saga around Pirate Bay in Sweden). Or the cases of abductions into dark prisons for torture. What is most interesting around this is the outrage about the Chinese spying and the complete absence of consequences for the ones aiding the US efforts (the 2 guys in Denmark are being in court for leaking details of the investigation, while nobody is being prosecuted for actually leaking state secrets)
- threeseed 3y ago
  The big difference with the US is that there is a free press, independent judiciary, clear separation between government and corporations and democracy so there are frequent changes of government with different attitudes towards the issues you raise. China has none of those. And they really do matter.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    All of those didn't matter for the million dead Iraqis. They only matter for Americans themselves, not for the victims of America
- kjs3 3y ago
  While I don't want to defend the chinese government Yes you do. That what butwhataboutism is all about.
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yarg 3y ago
Only if we allow them to be. If liberal western (and I mean liberal not "liberal") democracies stop our appeasement policies things will improve.
DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
This sort of anti-Chinese hysteria is really getting out of hand. China has been very reserved on the international scene in the last 40 years or so. It hasn't fought any foreign wars, and it's been mostly focused on its own internal economic development. That development has also brought enormous wealth to the United States and other developed countries, which have been able to access (previously cheap) Chinese labor and the rapidly growing Chinese market. Much of the modern American way of life over the last few decades would have been impossible without the economic development of China. Since Trump came into office, there has been an incredible swing in American public opinion on China. China is now to blame for everything, an embodiment of pure evil, lurking around every corner. Maybe China is in the room with us right now. It's sad to see this attitude spilling over into HN. The tech industry is incredibly international (and Chinese engineers make a major contribution to the US tech industry), and not only does the increasing animosity go against the open spirit of tech culture, but it will severely damage the industry in the long run as international barriers go up.

vaidhy 3y ago

hmm.. every country capable of doing this does this. Does not make it right.. but singling out china is just drinking too much of kool aid.

LordShredda 3y ago
China should be made an example of
- vaidhy 3y ago
  Maybe the biggest offender should be made an example of??
  - Incipient 3y ago
    Yeah. China. The difference with China is that it's a deliberate coordinated plan from a single entity; the Chinese government. Essentially they're one mega-monopoly with incredible power without even a whiff of altruism.
    - s5300 3y ago
      [dead]
    - quantum_state 3y ago
      Snowden used to work for that single entity too …
    - snapcaster 3y ago
      Really? You can't think of any other country that might have started tons of wars and be a "threat to global freedom"? Maybe even a greater offender than China (who did they invade in last 50 years again? forgot)
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antiviral 3y ago

See this: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... "At the same time, the Chinese government is seeking to become the world’s greatest superpower through predatory lending and business practices, systematic theft of intellectual property, and brazen cyber intrusions." And just recently: https://apnews.com/article/korea-samsung-china-copycat-semiconductor-bfdf3ad9f817f646d0d47294f62e334f https://apnews.com/article/korea-samsung-china-copycat-semic... "South Korean prosecutors have arrested and indicted a former executive of Samsung Electronics suspected of stealing trade secrets while attempting to establish a copycat computer chip plant in China." There are literally hundreds of articles like this - and it's been going on for decades. But the behavior alleged in this article seems even more blatent and aggressive than the past, and perhaps a foreshadowing of what is to come in the near future.

vasac 3y ago

Yeah, they are the ones with hundreds military bases all over the world, constantly invading/bombing other nations, staging coups, sponsoring terr^H^H^H freedom fighters...

transcriptase 3y ago
[flagged]
- deleted 3y ago
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- Gunnerhead 3y ago
  Can we please keep the “you’re a paid bot” accusations on Reddit? I love reading contrarian comments on HN, even if they might be a little controversial. Accusing people of that will just make legitimate users shy away from posting opposing views lest they be called a shill. It’s also against the HN guidelines: “Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - lazyeye 3y ago
    Pointing out forum manipulation doesnt degrade discussions nearly as much as the forum manipulation itself. Its an extremely serious issue and we should be able to discuss it.
  - transcriptase 3y ago
    My apologies. Though it was in jest, you’re right and doesn’t add to the discussion.
- FpUser 3y ago
  Do you get extra karma for ad hominem?

monkeycantype 3y ago

I know speaking in abstract or on a high level is difficult, but I believe whenever we speak of the actions of the government of China and aligned businesses as ‘China’ we strengthen a narrative that they use of clash of civilisations, that legitimises them as ‘China’ and anyone in China opposed to them as ‘foreign backed subversives’

cycomanic 3y ago

While I don't want to defend the chinese government. I would like to point to the history of the US of extensive proxy wars, spying campaigns against supposed allies (and this was going on for years before the German spying became public, i.e. Echolon and how Boening seem to have manage to just undercut airbus bits for some time), pressuring allies to change (or even break their own) laws for US cooperate interest (e.g. the saga around Pirate Bay in Sweden). Or the cases of abductions into dark prisons for torture. What is most interesting around this is the outrage about the Chinese spying and the complete absence of consequences for the ones aiding the US efforts (the 2 guys in Denmark are being in court for leaking details of the investigation, while nobody is being prosecuted for actually leaking state secrets)

threeseed 3y ago
The big difference with the US is that there is a free press, independent judiciary, clear separation between government and corporations and democracy so there are frequent changes of government with different attitudes towards the issues you raise. China has none of those. And they really do matter.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  All of those didn't matter for the million dead Iraqis. They only matter for Americans themselves, not for the victims of America
kjs3 3y ago
While I don't want to defend the chinese government Yes you do. That what butwhataboutism is all about.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

yarg 3y ago

Only if we allow them to be. If liberal western (and I mean liberal not "liberal") democracies stop our appeasement policies things will improve.

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago

This sort of anti-Chinese hysteria is really getting out of hand. China has been very reserved on the international scene in the last 40 years or so. It hasn't fought any foreign wars, and it's been mostly focused on its own internal economic development. That development has also brought enormous wealth to the United States and other developed countries, which have been able to access (previously cheap) Chinese labor and the rapidly growing Chinese market. Much of the modern American way of life over the last few decades would have been impossible without the economic development of China. Since Trump came into office, there has been an incredible swing in American public opinion on China. China is now to blame for everything, an embodiment of pure evil, lurking around every corner. Maybe China is in the room with us right now. It's sad to see this attitude spilling over into HN. The tech industry is incredibly international (and Chinese engineers make a major contribution to the US tech industry), and not only does the increasing animosity go against the open spirit of tech culture, but it will severely damage the industry in the long run as international barriers go up.