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working over 40h is only « forbidden » where i live because paying 1.5x/h is not acceptable from the employer’s pov. it’s annoying from the worker’s pov since y

by deburo 3y ago

working over 40h is only « forbidden » where i live because paying 1.5x/h is not acceptable from the employer’s pov. it’s annoying from the worker’s pov since you’re necessarily capped at 40h if your employer doesn’t want to pay that rate. i don’t understand your race to the bottom argument.

SturgeonsLaw 3y ago
> i don’t understand your race to the bottom argument. Look at work culture in the United States or parts of Asia, where the goal is to extract as much production out of the workers as possible and if it grinds them to dust, that's their own personal failing and you will just swap out the faulty cog for a fresh one. It gets absurd when you look at Japan's performative long hours. It's not even financially beneficial by that point.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> i don’t understand your race to the bottom argument. Being able to voluntarily work more than 40h/week also means being able to be voluntold to work more than 40h/week.
- deburo 3y ago
  People say that, but I don't think our culture would permit it at this point.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Unfortunately, culture follows economic conditions, not the other way around. So without a legal limit, I believe not only that culture would permit it, but also it would find a way to justify it. (See e.g. US work ethics/protestant work culture.)
    - anticensor 3y ago
      There is a workaround against that: Have a legal requirement that overtime should average to zero or less (to allow for part-time employees) over the course of a year across all employees of the workplace.
  - brightlancer 3y ago
    Lots of jobs require mandatory overtime, whether salaried office jobs which expect folks to finish unreasonable workloads or hourly physical jobs which have artificially limited the number of workers (by regulations or union contracts) but have minimum staffing levels, e.g. police, prisons, assembly line workers, etc. There isn't one single culture here. Plenty of cultures not just permit it, they expect it.

by deburo 3y ago

SturgeonsLaw 3y ago

> i don’t understand your race to the bottom argument. Look at work culture in the United States or parts of Asia, where the goal is to extract as much production out of the workers as possible and if it grinds them to dust, that's their own personal failing and you will just swap out the faulty cog for a fresh one. It gets absurd when you look at Japan's performative long hours. It's not even financially beneficial by that point.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> i don’t understand your race to the bottom argument. Being able to voluntarily work more than 40h/week also means being able to be voluntold to work more than 40h/week.

deburo 3y ago
People say that, but I don't think our culture would permit it at this point.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Unfortunately, culture follows economic conditions, not the other way around. So without a legal limit, I believe not only that culture would permit it, but also it would find a way to justify it. (See e.g. US work ethics/protestant work culture.)
  - anticensor 3y ago
    There is a workaround against that: Have a legal requirement that overtime should average to zero or less (to allow for part-time employees) over the course of a year across all employees of the workplace.
- brightlancer 3y ago
  Lots of jobs require mandatory overtime, whether salaried office jobs which expect folks to finish unreasonable workloads or hourly physical jobs which have artificially limited the number of workers (by regulations or union contracts) but have minimum staffing levels, e.g. police, prisons, assembly line workers, etc. There isn't one single culture here. Plenty of cultures not just permit it, they expect it.