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As a data point: he’s currently divorced. Working your ass off makes you more productive, yes, but it comes at a cost. Personal time, family time, etc…

Insanity 3y ago
Bad data point, plenty of people get divorced whom work regular hours. You’re also making assumptions about the cause of a divorce we frankly know nothing about..
- ollien 3y ago
  I didn't read it like that at all, more that he doesn't have a major commitment that a lot of people do.
DevKoala 3y ago
He addresses it on the post: > Given two equally talented people, the one that pursues a goal obsessively, for well over 40 hours a week, is going to achieve more. They might be less happy and healthy, but I’m not even sure about that. What worked for me and my current partner is being upfront about my career goals and the lengths I was willing to go to achieve them. I’ve now been in a strong relationship for 7+ years which is twice whatever I lasted with other partners who found me sometimes reserving a weekend to work/research a deal killer.
- Dudester230602 3y ago
  Isn't it common for a spouse to like "6 figures" but not what it takes.
  - geraldwhen 3y ago
    You can make lots of money working 30-35 hour weeks. Perhaps those working 60 hours a week just aren’t as clever, or haven’t found a valuable enough niche.
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      Or aren't as lucky, or can't afford the switch. Like, could I make the same money for half the time if I e.g. started my own gig? Maybe. But maybe is not good enough, and with a spouse, kids and a mortgage, I can't afford to test it - it would put my family at too big of a risk.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        This is one of the reasons they often start after getting fired. But sometimes it’s something you can moonlight.
      - geraldwhen 3y ago
        Independent efforts always take more time. There are tons of shitty large corporations where you can clock out early.
    - DevKoala 3y ago
      This is true. Friends who learned to delegate faster than I did and focused on the harder problems “made it” much earlier than me.
  - DevKoala 3y ago
    I haven’t felt attracted to someone without her own career goals since college.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  So he’s had a string of partners leave him due to working weekends, and his “wife of 7+ years” has also now divorced him. “It’s not that bad” says the guy leaving a trail of women in the wake of his career.
  - DevKoala 3y ago
    I think you are reading too much into it. All I shared is something that helped me find a partner who enjoyed who I am and understood my priorities. I was hoping to help. The advice sure would have helped me earlier in life.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Most people can’t be honest with themselves about their own goals, let alone with a potential spouse. For example, most people’s goal is closer to “work just enough to live comfortably” than they’d like to admit, I suspect.
- Solvency 3y ago
  This is a silly point to make and discuss because the goal is not defined. If your number one goal is to build a company then other sacrifices along the way won't necessarily make you unhappy. If your goal was to maintain a happy family and that falls apart, guess what: you will not be happy.
sashank_1509 3y ago
I think this is just cliche Hollywood trope that’s not even true. Most divorces don’t have the husband working too long and not paying attention to family trope. It’s very possible John with normal working hours would still have gotten divorced, most divorces I know didn’t have long working hours as a reason. Marriages go to shit for a large variety of reasons, and not often because husband spent too long working, that is a very small fraction of divorces. There was a time when I judged someone by the fact that they are divorced, but now I don’t anymore. Sometimes she just wants different things and figured that out after marriage, there’s nothing you can do really

Insanity 3y ago

Bad data point, plenty of people get divorced whom work regular hours. You’re also making assumptions about the cause of a divorce we frankly know nothing about..

ollien 3y ago
I didn't read it like that at all, more that he doesn't have a major commitment that a lot of people do.

DevKoala 3y ago

He addresses it on the post: > Given two equally talented people, the one that pursues a goal obsessively, for well over 40 hours a week, is going to achieve more. They might be less happy and healthy, but I’m not even sure about that. What worked for me and my current partner is being upfront about my career goals and the lengths I was willing to go to achieve them. I’ve now been in a strong relationship for 7+ years which is twice whatever I lasted with other partners who found me sometimes reserving a weekend to work/research a deal killer.

Dudester230602 3y ago
Isn't it common for a spouse to like "6 figures" but not what it takes.
- geraldwhen 3y ago
  You can make lots of money working 30-35 hour weeks. Perhaps those working 60 hours a week just aren’t as clever, or haven’t found a valuable enough niche.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Or aren't as lucky, or can't afford the switch. Like, could I make the same money for half the time if I e.g. started my own gig? Maybe. But maybe is not good enough, and with a spouse, kids and a mortgage, I can't afford to test it - it would put my family at too big of a risk.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      This is one of the reasons they often start after getting fired. But sometimes it’s something you can moonlight.
    - geraldwhen 3y ago
      Independent efforts always take more time. There are tons of shitty large corporations where you can clock out early.
  - DevKoala 3y ago
    This is true. Friends who learned to delegate faster than I did and focused on the harder problems “made it” much earlier than me.
- DevKoala 3y ago
  I haven’t felt attracted to someone without her own career goals since college.
jiggawatts 3y ago
So he’s had a string of partners leave him due to working weekends, and his “wife of 7+ years” has also now divorced him. “It’s not that bad” says the guy leaving a trail of women in the wake of his career.
- DevKoala 3y ago
  I think you are reading too much into it. All I shared is something that helped me find a partner who enjoyed who I am and understood my priorities. I was hoping to help. The advice sure would have helped me earlier in life.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Most people can’t be honest with themselves about their own goals, let alone with a potential spouse. For example, most people’s goal is closer to “work just enough to live comfortably” than they’d like to admit, I suspect.
Solvency 3y ago
This is a silly point to make and discuss because the goal is not defined. If your number one goal is to build a company then other sacrifices along the way won't necessarily make you unhappy. If your goal was to maintain a happy family and that falls apart, guess what: you will not be happy.

sashank_1509 3y ago

I think this is just cliche Hollywood trope that’s not even true. Most divorces don’t have the husband working too long and not paying attention to family trope. It’s very possible John with normal working hours would still have gotten divorced, most divorces I know didn’t have long working hours as a reason. Marriages go to shit for a large variety of reasons, and not often because husband spent too long working, that is a very small fraction of divorces. There was a time when I judged someone by the fact that they are divorced, but now I don’t anymore. Sometimes she just wants different things and figured that out after marriage, there’s nothing you can do really