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Thankfully people here are asking for good regulation, once which states that at some point in the future every phone ever sold in market X needs to have its co
by oblio 3y ago
Thankfully people here are asking for good regulation, once which states that at some point in the future every phone ever sold in market X needs to have its core software open sourced, so companies can plan ahead.
- astrange 3y agoThe EU isn't making good regulation, they don't have any tech companies and are just attempting to make it illegal to make anything in a fit of pique. The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore. Europe has an unhealthy culture of naturalistic hippiedom, so this is just the same thing that causes Germany to shut down nuclear power. (If you think this one's good, try combining it with their six other giant laws you haven't heard of some of which conflict with this.)
- stavros 3y agoI've been trying to find words to describe this take but I fail. It's as if someone thought "what's the most jingoistic thing I can say in support of the US and its anti-regulation free-for-all?".
- astrange 3y agoThe US isn't the only country with tech companies. You may have heard of China, Japan, or Korea. And every country regulates cell phones in particular, since they use shared airwaves, have rare earth metals in them, sometimes have exploding batteries etc.
- webmobdev 3y agoThe end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore. Really? Are you claiming that capitalists are so much of a fool that instead of making, say, half the profit they were making before in an unregulated market, they would readily prefer to make 0 profits? The reality is that if American BigTech exit the EU market, then some local or non-American competitor will step in to fill the vacuum. Or have you already forgotten that the European Nokia once dominated the mobile phone industry?
- astrange 3y agoYes, I'm aware of how economic protectionism works. The reason Nokia instantly failed when the US entered the market is because their products were bad and nerdy and they couldn't do good software. eg when they got an iPhone and their reaction was to do low level optimizations of their boring UI to make it 60fps instead of having a nice UI instead.
- webmobdev 3y agoNokia failed because Microsoft sent a trojan horse to them. Nokia died because of Microsoft.
- jacquesm 3y agoThis is a complete mis-characterization of the EU and it's ability to make laws. As a legislative body it certainly isn't perfect but you are ascribing motivations and making statements about it that have zero connection with reality.
- oblio 3y agoThis is some weird fantasy comment. Please do link the other "six giant laws that conflict".
- astrange 3y agoGDPR, DMA, Cyber Resilience Act, Ecodesign Directive, the one in development about proactive CSAM scanning…
- oblio 3y agoTo pick one, how does GDPR conflict with this battery regulation?
- astrange 3y ago"Some of which". The people on here saying phone OSes should be open source and unlocked to make them last longer will find the ecodesign and security regulations actually encourage locking them down so you can't break them.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y agois that a fact? I'm not sure. could you specify the actual GDPR regulations in question which clearly conflict with these battery regulations (without any creative contrivance required on our part)? or are you saying there isn't a conflict in that case (in which case, which ones do?) that part wasn't clear
- astrange 3y agoI did not say the GDPR conflicts with battery replacement, no.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y agowhich one conflicts with this proposed replaceable battery legislation?
- surgical_fire 3y ago> The end result may be nobody selling phones there anymore Yes, I firmly believe every every manufacturer would ignore an economic block full of developed countries and 450M people. This is the sort of bad take that keeps me returning to HN. Some people here are incredibly dense. On a side note, I wouldn't mind if Apple decided to not sell their toys around here anymore.
- thrashh 3y agoWho is asking for bad regulation?
- oblio 3y agoI don't know, you brought up the strawman.