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I’m not sure how that’s relevant to my question. He was drunk and being an idiot, that wasn’t a major management decision like disallowing deletion of comments

by dmix 3y ago

I’m not sure how that’s relevant to my question. He was drunk and being an idiot, that wasn’t a major management decision like disallowing deletion of comments which affects the entire platform. That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
him editing user comments like he did was also unprecedented, maybe he's just vindictive and belligerent and irrational his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility
TX81Z 3y ago
I think the point being made is that somebody who would get drunk and edit comments on a forum they control is the LAST person who should run a forum of any sort. Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  "Just drunken modin'!" "Just drunken CEOin'!"
  - TX81Z 3y ago
    He’s like Rick Sanchez, but instead of a drunk genius he’s just a drunk moron.
snarfy 3y ago
> That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  You do it before someone has replied to it. Once someone has replied, you can't delete your comment without destroying the context of their comment. It's not just about you at that point.
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff.
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      Does HN have to care about a GDPR request? HN doesn't have either servers or people in Europe, so far as I know. Even so, that still may not save you. Say you decide you want your post here deleted. Say HN does so, but leaves my reply. And say my reply looks like this: > We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff. Well, Paul-Craft, I don't think it's going to work like that... [End of pretend reply.] Now your post is quoted by mine, and your name is mentioned in mine as the author. Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. Now what?
      - johnnyanmac 3y ago
        >Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. gdpr =/= right to be forgotten (I'm not even sure if the latter cares about that. That's more about search indexing than perfectly scrubbing your history). GDPR is there to ensure your data can't be stored indefinitely on some private server without your ability to withdraw it. Paul-Craft being quoted saying something that one time on June 17th 2023 is 100x less valuable to a data harvester then a directly post from Paul-Craft himself.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
Sure, when the CEO does it it's an excuse, and when I do it I get written up by HR. >Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. I don't think GDPR cares about scale so much as compliance. Scale just affects the fine. >This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week. Sure, I don't disagree. As long as we agree we are both dabbling in speculation. could be an honest mistake, could be the next phase of panic from a sight that is flailing about to keep its valuation from dropping further. I won't claim any authority on the topic. I do find it entertaining how thoroughly they are stumbling over this tho. And we still have over a week until the real action.

by dmix 3y ago

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

him editing user comments like he did was also unprecedented, maybe he's just vindictive and belligerent and irrational his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility

TX81Z 3y ago

I think the point being made is that somebody who would get drunk and edit comments on a forum they control is the LAST person who should run a forum of any sort. Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?

FireBeyond 3y ago
"Just drunken modin'!" "Just drunken CEOin'!"
- TX81Z 3y ago
  He’s like Rick Sanchez, but instead of a drunk genius he’s just a drunk moron.

snarfy 3y ago

> That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
You do it before someone has replied to it. Once someone has replied, you can't delete your comment without destroying the context of their comment. It's not just about you at that point.
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    Does HN have to care about a GDPR request? HN doesn't have either servers or people in Europe, so far as I know. Even so, that still may not save you. Say you decide you want your post here deleted. Say HN does so, but leaves my reply. And say my reply looks like this: > We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff. Well, Paul-Craft, I don't think it's going to work like that... [End of pretend reply.] Now your post is quoted by mine, and your name is mentioned in mine as the author. Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. Now what?
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      >Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. gdpr =/= right to be forgotten (I'm not even sure if the latter cares about that. That's more about search indexing than perfectly scrubbing your history). GDPR is there to ensure your data can't be stored indefinitely on some private server without your ability to withdraw it. Paul-Craft being quoted saying something that one time on June 17th 2023 is 100x less valuable to a data harvester then a directly post from Paul-Craft himself.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

Sure, when the CEO does it it's an excuse, and when I do it I get written up by HR. >Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. I don't think GDPR cares about scale so much as compliance. Scale just affects the fine. >This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week. Sure, I don't disagree. As long as we agree we are both dabbling in speculation. could be an honest mistake, could be the next phase of panic from a sight that is flailing about to keep its valuation from dropping further. I won't claim any authority on the topic. I do find it entertaining how thoroughly they are stumbling over this tho. And we still have over a week until the real action.