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Parent commenter, and sure it was opinion, but based in good reasoning. USB-C wasn't the problem, MFi was. The rumours are that Apple's USB-C implementation wi

Parent commenter, and sure it was opinion, but based in good reasoning. USB-C wasn't the problem, MFi was. The rumours are that Apple's USB-C implementation will be locked down in similar ways, accessory manufacturers will still need to pay Apple to create certified accessories, and data transfer speeds are going to be restricted to Lightning speeds. USB-C everything is nice, but no non-techies I know like it because it's the new cable that's not compatible with any of their stuff (as much as I advocate for it). Removable batteries in smartphones just aren't workable. We have too high expectations for battery life, weight, durability, water resistance, and size. It negatively impacts all of these. There hasn't been a mass market smartphone with a replaceable battery in a long time, and if they were that great for customers there would have been. A much better option would be to focus on repairability, it would have almost all the benefits, and effectively none of the downsides.

kelnos 3y ago
> USB-C wasn't the problem, MFi was I'm an Android user, but nearly everyone I know has an iPhone. And not even one of them has an iPhone accessory. So how important is this MFi thing, really? From my perspective, the main annoyance is that my partner (who has an iPhone) needs a special charging cable, and can't use the cables I use for my phone and we both use for our laptops. And I suspect that's mainly what the EU cared about too: charging cables. > USB-C everything is nice, but no non-techies I know like it because it's the new cable that's not compatible with any of their stuff If you're talking about all their current stuff being Lightning, then that problem will work its way out in a few years. If their current stuff is all micro-USB or USB-A, then... what? How is that even possible these days? Even the cheap rechargeable motorized cat toys I've bought on Amazon use USB-C cables to charge. And if it is micro-USB or USB-A that their other devices use, so what? They'd just be going from one charging cable that only works with iPhones (Lightning) to another that only works with iPhones (USB-C). And as their other non-USB-C devices wear out or become obsolete, and they replace them with new ones that charge using USB-C cables, this problem will also sort itself over time.
rhaway84773 3y ago
MFI may be THE problem. But we will never know because you can’t even plug in non Apple stuff in the phone because they use a proprietary connector. Once Apple is required to use USB-C and then uses software to block non-MFI connections then the EU will (a) take them to court for trying to undermine the spirit of the legislation (b) if they lose in court pass a new law requiring them to prevent blocking non MFI connections (although they will probably allow them to display scary warning messages).
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Yes, I’m sure Apple is going to block non certified devices in USB C phones just like they block non certified devices in USB C iPads and they don’t support stuff like standard USB devices, video over USB etc. Oh wait, that’s entirely not the case today.
ethbr0 3y ago
> ... if [removable batteries] were that great for customers there would have been [more mass market smartphones]... Removable battery phones are more difficult to design. Why would a company do something that's more difficult, absent a mandate to do so? Modern smartphones are not the pinnacle of technical possibility -- they're an optimization between feature and price. A feature could be beloved by customers but add another $1 to smartphone build costs, and still be cut by every remaining manufacturer in the market.

kelnos 3y ago

> USB-C wasn't the problem, MFi was I'm an Android user, but nearly everyone I know has an iPhone. And not even one of them has an iPhone accessory. So how important is this MFi thing, really? From my perspective, the main annoyance is that my partner (who has an iPhone) needs a special charging cable, and can't use the cables I use for my phone and we both use for our laptops. And I suspect that's mainly what the EU cared about too: charging cables. > USB-C everything is nice, but no non-techies I know like it because it's the new cable that's not compatible with any of their stuff If you're talking about all their current stuff being Lightning, then that problem will work its way out in a few years. If their current stuff is all micro-USB or USB-A, then... what? How is that even possible these days? Even the cheap rechargeable motorized cat toys I've bought on Amazon use USB-C cables to charge. And if it is micro-USB or USB-A that their other devices use, so what? They'd just be going from one charging cable that only works with iPhones (Lightning) to another that only works with iPhones (USB-C). And as their other non-USB-C devices wear out or become obsolete, and they replace them with new ones that charge using USB-C cables, this problem will also sort itself over time.

rhaway84773 3y ago

MFI may be THE problem. But we will never know because you can’t even plug in non Apple stuff in the phone because they use a proprietary connector. Once Apple is required to use USB-C and then uses software to block non-MFI connections then the EU will (a) take them to court for trying to undermine the spirit of the legislation (b) if they lose in court pass a new law requiring them to prevent blocking non MFI connections (although they will probably allow them to display scary warning messages).

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes, I’m sure Apple is going to block non certified devices in USB C phones just like they block non certified devices in USB C iPads and they don’t support stuff like standard USB devices, video over USB etc. Oh wait, that’s entirely not the case today.

ethbr0 3y ago

> ... if [removable batteries] were that great for customers there would have been [more mass market smartphones]... Removable battery phones are more difficult to design. Why would a company do something that's more difficult, absent a mandate to do so? Modern smartphones are not the pinnacle of technical possibility -- they're an optimization between feature and price. A feature could be beloved by customers but add another $1 to smartphone build costs, and still be cut by every remaining manufacturer in the market.