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Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake. 750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years. This huge numbe

Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake. 750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years. This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.

faluzure 3y ago
1.5 million over 5 years are a rookie numbers. We did 1 million just last year. And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.
- andrewstuart 3y ago
  Australia’s “Minister for Homelessness” owns 4 houses.
  - cycrutchfield 3y ago
    Should they be homeless too?
    - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
      Obviously not, but you can hardly understand the issue when you have more homes than anyone can have in a lifetime.
      - cycrutchfield 3y ago
        What’s the limit on the amount of real estate you own before you become unable to understand or empathize with the homeless? Does this work with other vocations? Should spinsters not be allowed to teach or care for children? If you don’t own a car you can’t become a car mechanic?
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  Housing speculation in Canada is a national industry. The assholes in both the major parties will never lift a finger to do anything about it because either they, or their baby boomer voters, are all hyper invested in making sure Number Goes Up for housing. Look at the way Poilievre foams all apoplectic at the mouth about the BoC raising its rate (as if it's Trudeau's choice what that # is... but whatever) while at the same time blaming Trudeau for inflation. His boomer bosses need their mortgages to stay cheap and their housing prices to stay high, no matter what. Canada is corrupt and eats its young.
  - xienze 3y ago
    Real estate is something absurd like 20% of Canada’s GDP, isn’t it? What may have started as greed has evolved into something vital to the country’s existence. You can’t just crash Canadian real estate without having a major negative impact on the country.
    - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
      When you're up to your neck in quicksand ... why struggle?
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Government spending by Trudeau has packed on insane debt levels making inflation worse. It took Canada 150 years to reach a level of debt that Trudeau managed to double. 1.2 Trillion and 151 billion a year debt payments. Given up plans to ever stop spending more than taking in. Inflation make that 1.2 trillion worth less (and everyone elses money). It's a strategy. Trudeau doesn't control the rate directly but he is still sending out larger and larger cheques for votes and keeps spending on social programs and military spending like the money supply is unlimited. Having a second house means little when there are bigger paydays
- Marsymars 3y ago
  > We did 1 million just last year. I'd note that this number gets thrown around a lot, but it was <500k permanent residents, the 1 million figure includes >600k temporary work/study permits and asylum claims.
  - faluzure 3y ago
    Does it really matter what status folks come over with? That's still net +1 million folks that need to be housed and fed in a calendar year.
    - Marsymars 3y ago
      Well it doesn't matter for this year, but it makes for a very different trajectory - there's no reasonable way that we net +600k temporary residents every year.
    - Zandikar 3y ago
      > Does it really matter what status folks come over with? Yes, because it also matters if we're talking about residencies (shelter) or residents (people). Numbers are arbitrary to keep things simple: start, 100 population, 40 residencies. 2018: Add 10, of which 2 are temp 2019: Add 10, of which 9 are temp Assume no population losses. What's your current (2019) population? It COULD be 120, but not necessarily. We know it's at least 109 (100+8+1 permanent) so lets look at what happened to the 11 temps specifically. Keep in mind temporarily granted residency typically needs to be renewed yearly if not more frequently. If one is in country for Jan-Apr and a second in July-November, then you had a net population gain of 0, a gross gain of 2, and a median gain of 1, and could have required 1 or 2 residences to accommodate them. 0 - 2 technically but lets assume we're doing our best to shelter people. Then the question is, until you know what the 2019's 9 temp residents are going to do, you can't really call them a net gain for the purposes of talking trends of population. You can however use them when talking housing supply, as regardless of how long they're staying, they will be there at SOME point, and while there, yeah, they need a place to stay. TL;DR: For this threads context, probably better to think of temps as "pending" residents.
- barbazoo 3y ago
  > And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property. I'm not saying this isn't true but I'm having difficulties finding a reliable source for this.
hn_thrwn 3y ago
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ipaddr 3y ago
It's like there is a global plan by government for some hidden agenda
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  No, it's actually not.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Multiple leaders on the left. In Australia, Canada, US large increases in immigration (undocumented in the US). All of these countries have large targets increasing population at levels never seen before. It's like they are acting from the same agenda. They are not building housing or preparing for any increases. Are they expecting a population decline?
    - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
      You don't even know what "left" means if you think that's what Trudeau is. And to be afraid of mysterious "government agendas", when the real power is clearly corporate, even less accountable or transparent... ... judging from your comments, you've stepped over the threshold. I'm afraid reason won't reach you.
      - Grum9 3y ago
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      - ipaddr 3y ago
        In your worldview Trudeau is on the right? This kind of reasoning won't reach anyone.
        cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        Better than giving up on reason altogether and just trumpeting Q-adjacent nonsense.
voisin 3y ago
Canada and Australia are following the UK. Allow massive immigration, drive up housing costs, angering the citizens to the point where they’ll vote against their own interests if it means hurting the immigrants more. Watch the rise of far right politicians campaigning and winning on blatantly racist platforms about returning to a former glory.
- landoftheice 3y ago
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faluzure 3y ago

1.5 million over 5 years are a rookie numbers. We did 1 million just last year. And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.

andrewstuart 3y ago
Australia’s “Minister for Homelessness” owns 4 houses.
- cycrutchfield 3y ago
  Should they be homeless too?
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    Obviously not, but you can hardly understand the issue when you have more homes than anyone can have in a lifetime.
    - cycrutchfield 3y ago
      What’s the limit on the amount of real estate you own before you become unable to understand or empathize with the homeless? Does this work with other vocations? Should spinsters not be allowed to teach or care for children? If you don’t own a car you can’t become a car mechanic?
cmrdporcupine 3y ago
Housing speculation in Canada is a national industry. The assholes in both the major parties will never lift a finger to do anything about it because either they, or their baby boomer voters, are all hyper invested in making sure Number Goes Up for housing. Look at the way Poilievre foams all apoplectic at the mouth about the BoC raising its rate (as if it's Trudeau's choice what that # is... but whatever) while at the same time blaming Trudeau for inflation. His boomer bosses need their mortgages to stay cheap and their housing prices to stay high, no matter what. Canada is corrupt and eats its young.
- xienze 3y ago
  Real estate is something absurd like 20% of Canada’s GDP, isn’t it? What may have started as greed has evolved into something vital to the country’s existence. You can’t just crash Canadian real estate without having a major negative impact on the country.
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    When you're up to your neck in quicksand ... why struggle?
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Government spending by Trudeau has packed on insane debt levels making inflation worse. It took Canada 150 years to reach a level of debt that Trudeau managed to double. 1.2 Trillion and 151 billion a year debt payments. Given up plans to ever stop spending more than taking in. Inflation make that 1.2 trillion worth less (and everyone elses money). It's a strategy. Trudeau doesn't control the rate directly but he is still sending out larger and larger cheques for votes and keeps spending on social programs and military spending like the money supply is unlimited. Having a second house means little when there are bigger paydays
Marsymars 3y ago
> We did 1 million just last year. I'd note that this number gets thrown around a lot, but it was <500k permanent residents, the 1 million figure includes >600k temporary work/study permits and asylum claims.
- faluzure 3y ago
  Does it really matter what status folks come over with? That's still net +1 million folks that need to be housed and fed in a calendar year.
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    Well it doesn't matter for this year, but it makes for a very different trajectory - there's no reasonable way that we net +600k temporary residents every year.
  - Zandikar 3y ago
    > Does it really matter what status folks come over with? Yes, because it also matters if we're talking about residencies (shelter) or residents (people). Numbers are arbitrary to keep things simple: start, 100 population, 40 residencies. 2018: Add 10, of which 2 are temp 2019: Add 10, of which 9 are temp Assume no population losses. What's your current (2019) population? It COULD be 120, but not necessarily. We know it's at least 109 (100+8+1 permanent) so lets look at what happened to the 11 temps specifically. Keep in mind temporarily granted residency typically needs to be renewed yearly if not more frequently. If one is in country for Jan-Apr and a second in July-November, then you had a net population gain of 0, a gross gain of 2, and a median gain of 1, and could have required 1 or 2 residences to accommodate them. 0 - 2 technically but lets assume we're doing our best to shelter people. Then the question is, until you know what the 2019's 9 temp residents are going to do, you can't really call them a net gain for the purposes of talking trends of population. You can however use them when talking housing supply, as regardless of how long they're staying, they will be there at SOME point, and while there, yeah, they need a place to stay. TL;DR: For this threads context, probably better to think of temps as "pending" residents.
barbazoo 3y ago
> And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property. I'm not saying this isn't true but I'm having difficulties finding a reliable source for this.

hn_thrwn 3y ago

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ipaddr 3y ago

It's like there is a global plan by government for some hidden agenda

cmrdporcupine 3y ago
No, it's actually not.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Multiple leaders on the left. In Australia, Canada, US large increases in immigration (undocumented in the US). All of these countries have large targets increasing population at levels never seen before. It's like they are acting from the same agenda. They are not building housing or preparing for any increases. Are they expecting a population decline?
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    You don't even know what "left" means if you think that's what Trudeau is. And to be afraid of mysterious "government agendas", when the real power is clearly corporate, even less accountable or transparent... ... judging from your comments, you've stepped over the threshold. I'm afraid reason won't reach you.
    - Grum9 3y ago
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    - ipaddr 3y ago
      In your worldview Trudeau is on the right? This kind of reasoning won't reach anyone.
      - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
        Better than giving up on reason altogether and just trumpeting Q-adjacent nonsense.

voisin 3y ago

Canada and Australia are following the UK. Allow massive immigration, drive up housing costs, angering the citizens to the point where they’ll vote against their own interests if it means hurting the immigrants more. Watch the rise of far right politicians campaigning and winning on blatantly racist platforms about returning to a former glory.

landoftheice 3y ago
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