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Because becoming a billionaire requires stealing labor that you didn’t do, which goes against the whole comment they made?

WalterBright 3y ago
Making a deal to exchange money for labor is not stealing. If you still think your labor is being stolen, start your own business, where you get to keep all the profits.
- boredpeter 3y ago
  It does when all the land in a country is privatized and people can’t sustain themselves without being coerced into an employer-employee agreement where the employer has all the leverage.
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    You don't need land to sustain yourself. Japan has very little land, and is very wealthy. > the employer has all the leverage. You don't need land to start your own business. Besides, if the employer had all the leverage, all the employees in the country would be working at minimum wage.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Your definition it isn’t. My definition it is. Affirmative consent can not be given in worker/employer relationships. Which makes the entire contract predatory.
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    You can make up definitions to mean whatever you want to, I see that rhetorical trick all the time. It doesn't work with me, though. > Affirmative consent can not be given in worker/employer relationships. Which makes the entire contract predatory. Another rhetorical trick: A is not equal to B, therefore A is not equal to B.
    - Paul-Craft 3y ago
      You think it's possible to have a fair deal where the literal life of one party (the worker) depends on the outcome, but not the other party (the employer)? Because that seems to be what you are saying here.
      - nickpp 3y ago
        Isn’t that the case every time one buys any life essentials like food, drinkable water, clothing, shelter and heating/cooling? Are all of those unfair deals? Because that seems to be what you are saying here.
        Paul-Craft 3y ago
        I think you're getting it. Please continue. :)
        nickpp 3y ago
        They are also all more affordable and more readily available than they ever been in the history of this mankind. I couldn’t be happier with these deals… I don’t think you are making the argument you think you are.
        Paul-Craft 3y ago
        I think I am, but thank you for your concern. Did you see the part in the history books where capitalism increased work hours and decreased real wages for workers for hundreds of years? Happy to provide sources if you're going to actually read and engage with them, and not going to just dismiss them.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      > It doesn't work with me, though. That’s fine. A lot of our culture is based upon force and preserving vestiges of slavery. This happens subconsciously. It takes a lot of reflection to understand a lot of what we’ve basically accepted as the way to go in the western economic model is beyond unfair and fucked.

WalterBright 3y ago

Making a deal to exchange money for labor is not stealing. If you still think your labor is being stolen, start your own business, where you get to keep all the profits.

boredpeter 3y ago
It does when all the land in a country is privatized and people can’t sustain themselves without being coerced into an employer-employee agreement where the employer has all the leverage.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  You don't need land to sustain yourself. Japan has very little land, and is very wealthy. > the employer has all the leverage. You don't need land to start your own business. Besides, if the employer had all the leverage, all the employees in the country would be working at minimum wage.
aaomidi 3y ago
Your definition it isn’t. My definition it is. Affirmative consent can not be given in worker/employer relationships. Which makes the entire contract predatory.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  You can make up definitions to mean whatever you want to, I see that rhetorical trick all the time. It doesn't work with me, though. > Affirmative consent can not be given in worker/employer relationships. Which makes the entire contract predatory. Another rhetorical trick: A is not equal to B, therefore A is not equal to B.
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    You think it's possible to have a fair deal where the literal life of one party (the worker) depends on the outcome, but not the other party (the employer)? Because that seems to be what you are saying here.
    - nickpp 3y ago
      Isn’t that the case every time one buys any life essentials like food, drinkable water, clothing, shelter and heating/cooling? Are all of those unfair deals? Because that seems to be what you are saying here.
      - Paul-Craft 3y ago
        I think you're getting it. Please continue. :)
        nickpp 3y ago
        They are also all more affordable and more readily available than they ever been in the history of this mankind. I couldn’t be happier with these deals… I don’t think you are making the argument you think you are.
        Paul-Craft 3y ago
        I think I am, but thank you for your concern. Did you see the part in the history books where capitalism increased work hours and decreased real wages for workers for hundreds of years? Happy to provide sources if you're going to actually read and engage with them, and not going to just dismiss them.
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    > It doesn't work with me, though. That’s fine. A lot of our culture is based upon force and preserving vestiges of slavery. This happens subconsciously. It takes a lot of reflection to understand a lot of what we’ve basically accepted as the way to go in the western economic model is beyond unfair and fucked.