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No, the rule can not be enacted since it has not been fully adopted - the final (multilingual) text has to be added to the European Council Rules via the plenar

No, the rule can not be enacted since it has not been fully adopted - the final (multilingual) text has to be added to the European Council Rules via the plenary voting procedure. This rule will come into effect following that vote.

dang 3y ago
Thanks - I appreciate the help. Do you know if the final vote is just a formality or if there is a real chance it won't pass? Most proposed bills / votes don't end up resulting in much so we tend to downweight those threads on HN and wait for the thing to actually happen (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bills%20propos&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  The downside of this is that discussions are more likely to end up as purely reactive toward change that has already occurred, and disgruntlement among the losers over what feels like a fait accompli can poison discourse. Discussion of legislative issues prior to passage leaves open the possibility of organizing/lobbying for or against a given proposal, should an informed consensus emerge among those discussing the issue.
  - dang 3y ago
    That's true. It's not a great trade-off. The problem is the tons of low-quality "bill proposal" articles that attract attention even though they tend never to amount to anything.
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      Very true, given the frequency of performative legislation that it meant to satiate the political appetites of constituents rather than effect real change. On the whole HN seems to do a good job of distinguishing serious from frivolous proposals, though.
- officialchicken 3y ago
  It's the least I can do to help dang! Mostly a formality IMO. Here's where it can get fairly political even though it's nearly a final (published) rule ... this vote was fairly heavily in-favor, only 20 against IIRC and even fewer abstentions. Some last-minute horse trading can definitely occur and bind it up. My personal opinion is that I think that's almost certain to pass at this point (given the nature of manufacturing in the EU versus say borders or food products) and I definitely would be sourcing screw and battery connector suppliers now if I designed phones. Progress (in English) can be tracked here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237...

dang 3y ago

Thanks - I appreciate the help. Do you know if the final vote is just a formality or if there is a real chance it won't pass? Most proposed bills / votes don't end up resulting in much so we tend to downweight those threads on HN and wait for the thing to actually happen (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bills%20propos&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).

anigbrowl 3y ago
The downside of this is that discussions are more likely to end up as purely reactive toward change that has already occurred, and disgruntlement among the losers over what feels like a fait accompli can poison discourse. Discussion of legislative issues prior to passage leaves open the possibility of organizing/lobbying for or against a given proposal, should an informed consensus emerge among those discussing the issue.
- dang 3y ago
  That's true. It's not a great trade-off. The problem is the tons of low-quality "bill proposal" articles that attract attention even though they tend never to amount to anything.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    Very true, given the frequency of performative legislation that it meant to satiate the political appetites of constituents rather than effect real change. On the whole HN seems to do a good job of distinguishing serious from frivolous proposals, though.
officialchicken 3y ago
It's the least I can do to help dang! Mostly a formality IMO. Here's where it can get fairly political even though it's nearly a final (published) rule ... this vote was fairly heavily in-favor, only 20 against IIRC and even fewer abstentions. Some last-minute horse trading can definitely occur and bind it up. My personal opinion is that I think that's almost certain to pass at this point (given the nature of manufacturing in the EU versus say borders or food products) and I definitely would be sourcing screw and battery connector suppliers now if I designed phones. Progress (in English) can be tracked here: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2023-0237...