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>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since ne

>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything. No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult. I don't know how many times I've seen an interesting thread from a sub I've never visited, tried to add to the conversation, and got auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies.

dale_glass 3y ago
> No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. Good! I only visit well curated subreddits. I don't want drive-by visitors, floods of memes, or similar content. My bread and butter are subreddits like r/DebateReligion and r/AskHistorians. If the mods are not to my liking, there usually is an alternate sub on the same subject that is. So thank you for staying away.
- ramesh31 3y ago
  >So thank you for staying away. And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. It's amazing to me that if moderation is so hard, why dang can do such a good job single-handedly with a user-base bigger than most subs.
  - dale_glass 3y ago
    > And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." You can always create your own and be the first over there. I agree though that there are some problems with the model, such as a long gone head mod suddenly poking back in and doing something radical, as well as a discoverability issue. > HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. HN is good precisely because it's well moderated and ontopic. There are rules here as well, and content is filtered quite thoroughly. If you don't notice it it's just either because you happen to agree with the status quo by accident, or you got used to it over time.
    - fknorangesite 3y ago
      > If you don't notice it it's just either because you happen to agree with the status quo by accident, or you got used to it over time. Exactly. Like with politics, "no moderation" is really just "moderation I agree with."
    - brightlancer 3y ago
      > You can always create your own and be the first over there. And be the only one over there. If r/keyboards devolves, sure, someone can create r/seriouskeyboards, but that doesn't mean anyone will join them. First, there are already X orders of magnitude subscribed to r/keyboards; second, if a new user is looking for a group on keyboards, they're more likely to investigate r/keyboards than r/adjectivekeyboards. "If you don't like it then make your own" ignores all of the realities involved. It's arrogant and dismissive.
mecsred 3y ago
"I absolutely refuse to even read the guidelines for participating in this community. 30 seconds of mental effort is too much for me to invest." "Gosh why does this community seem so upset with me, I did my best to be insightful and helpful"
LordDragonfang 3y ago
>No, I'm not going to sit down and read [...] the rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult [...or] step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. (pardon the edit, but I don't think it's a misrepresentation of what you said) So in other words, you didn't actually want to participate in the community and the automoderation worked as intended to ward off someone who wasn't interested in following the rules used to curate a specific community. Subreddits who have aggressive automod rules are almost without exception ones that put them in place due to the excessive rule-breaking posts from outsiders, including ones exactly like you. Some of the subs enforce specific templates to filter out the flood of low-effort repeats from people who can't be bothered. People who actually want to participate in the community will read the rules and stay. Anyone who's offended by being asked to do that probably won't be a positive contribution to the community anyway. Also: >auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post" You literally listed the recourse you were offered! In the next sentence! And said you refused it.
- lordloki 3y ago
  >the rules used to curate a specific community Or ensure group think.
  - LordDragonfang 3y ago
    Same question, what specific "group think" are you so concerned is happening on reddit? (Also, you are now banned from /r/pyongyang)
    - ramesh31 3y ago
      > Same question, what specific "group think" are you so concerned is happening on reddit? Try posting literally anything contrary to the party line on any noteworthy sub, and see how long it takes you to get banned. Particularly with a new account. I haven't bothered posting anything on that site in years because it's a 50/50 crap shoot whether it will even be seen, or that the post I just spent 5 minutes of my life writing out will be instantly auto-modded for containing the wrong keyword.
throw16180339 3y ago
> So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies. Ideology has nothing to do with it. The post could be flamebait, have a bad title such as "Give me recs", a clickbait title such as "Does anyone else hate Popular Thing", be easily satisfied by searching the subreddit, etc.

dale_glass 3y ago

> No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. Good! I only visit well curated subreddits. I don't want drive-by visitors, floods of memes, or similar content. My bread and butter are subreddits like r/DebateReligion and r/AskHistorians. If the mods are not to my liking, there usually is an alternate sub on the same subject that is. So thank you for staying away.

ramesh31 3y ago
>So thank you for staying away. And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. It's amazing to me that if moderation is so hard, why dang can do such a good job single-handedly with a user-base bigger than most subs.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  > And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." You can always create your own and be the first over there. I agree though that there are some problems with the model, such as a long gone head mod suddenly poking back in and doing something radical, as well as a discoverability issue. > HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. HN is good precisely because it's well moderated and ontopic. There are rules here as well, and content is filtered quite thoroughly. If you don't notice it it's just either because you happen to agree with the status quo by accident, or you got used to it over time.
  - fknorangesite 3y ago
    > If you don't notice it it's just either because you happen to agree with the status quo by accident, or you got used to it over time. Exactly. Like with politics, "no moderation" is really just "moderation I agree with."
  - brightlancer 3y ago
    > You can always create your own and be the first over there. And be the only one over there. If r/keyboards devolves, sure, someone can create r/seriouskeyboards, but that doesn't mean anyone will join them. First, there are already X orders of magnitude subscribed to r/keyboards; second, if a new user is looking for a group on keyboards, they're more likely to investigate r/keyboards than r/adjectivekeyboards. "If you don't like it then make your own" ignores all of the realities involved. It's arrogant and dismissive.

mecsred 3y ago

"I absolutely refuse to even read the guidelines for participating in this community. 30 seconds of mental effort is too much for me to invest." "Gosh why does this community seem so upset with me, I did my best to be insightful and helpful"

LordDragonfang 3y ago

>No, I'm not going to sit down and read [...] the rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult [...or] step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. (pardon the edit, but I don't think it's a misrepresentation of what you said) So in other words, you didn't actually want to participate in the community and the automoderation worked as intended to ward off someone who wasn't interested in following the rules used to curate a specific community. Subreddits who have aggressive automod rules are almost without exception ones that put them in place due to the excessive rule-breaking posts from outsiders, including ones exactly like you. Some of the subs enforce specific templates to filter out the flood of low-effort repeats from people who can't be bothered. People who actually want to participate in the community will read the rules and stay. Anyone who's offended by being asked to do that probably won't be a positive contribution to the community anyway. Also: >auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post" You literally listed the recourse you were offered! In the next sentence! And said you refused it.

lordloki 3y ago
>the rules used to curate a specific community Or ensure group think.
- LordDragonfang 3y ago
  Same question, what specific "group think" are you so concerned is happening on reddit? (Also, you are now banned from /r/pyongyang)
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    > Same question, what specific "group think" are you so concerned is happening on reddit? Try posting literally anything contrary to the party line on any noteworthy sub, and see how long it takes you to get banned. Particularly with a new account. I haven't bothered posting anything on that site in years because it's a 50/50 crap shoot whether it will even be seen, or that the post I just spent 5 minutes of my life writing out will be instantly auto-modded for containing the wrong keyword.

throw16180339 3y ago

> So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies. Ideology has nothing to do with it. The post could be flamebait, have a bad title such as "Give me recs", a clickbait title such as "Does anyone else hate Popular Thing", be easily satisfied by searching the subreddit, etc.