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It's a good point. I would hope there's an exemption for bomb disposal robots, because functionally there's not that much difference between these and (basical

by RajT88 3y ago

It's a good point. I would hope there's an exemption for bomb disposal robots, because functionally there's not that much difference between these and (basically) Killbotz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSkYxW5Ii28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSkYxW5Ii28

mulmen 3y ago
Bomb robots seem fine to me in an appropriate context. An alternative is a high power rifle at range, although that does seem a lot more dangerous. I’m more concerned about militarized pizza delivery robots. If they can’t have flying drones will they have rolling ones instead? Seems odd to carve this out for only flying drones.
sangnoir 3y ago
There shouldn't be an exemption on the equipment, but prohibition of using anything as a killbot. Dallas police used a bomb-disposal robot to remotely deliver a bomb to kill a suspect some years back. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dallas-suspect-first-experts-say/ https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dalla...
- mulmen 3y ago
  It seems pretty easy to have an exception that allows bomb disposal without allowing bomb delivery.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  "Hourslong negotiations with the man broke down into an exchange of gunfire, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a news conference Friday morning. At that point, the officers deployed a robot armed with an explosive." That's hardly the stuff of Robocop dystopia. That seems a reasonable and proportionate response to a long siege and multiple instances of gunfire exchange in which 5 policemen had lost their lives engaging the suspect.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > That's hardly the stuff of Robocop dystopia. Does it have to be dystopian before one disagrees on principle? I don't want killerbots normalized - the same justifications on this precedent will be applicable to a "Robocop dystopia", such as police departments buying and operating (or contracting) used MQ-9 Reapers or whatever drone Axon is cooking up
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      What does normalized mean here? Do I accept a future in which all people actively engaging police in gunfire over multiple hours are subject to killing by a remote-controlled machine? I do. Do I accept roving bands of killer drones flying overhead programmed to autonomously kill? I do not. It seems like we’re basically in the first circumstance since the use of a robot to terminate the firefight in Dallas was literally unprecedented.
      - sangnoir 3y ago
        > What does normalized mean here? I don't want any police departments to have carte blanche on authorizing drone executions by land, sea or air. The Dallas PD didn't see itself as encumbered by any laws - so they could hypothetically use a UAV to drop explosives today. I would like legislation to prevent this from repeating - using a killerbot shouldn't be a field-decision, IMO. We need clear rules of engagement. At the moment, police forces are adopting military equipment, but not discipline.

by RajT88 3y ago

mulmen 3y ago

Bomb robots seem fine to me in an appropriate context. An alternative is a high power rifle at range, although that does seem a lot more dangerous. I’m more concerned about militarized pizza delivery robots. If they can’t have flying drones will they have rolling ones instead? Seems odd to carve this out for only flying drones.

sangnoir 3y ago

There shouldn't be an exemption on the equipment, but prohibition of using anything as a killbot. Dallas police used a bomb-disposal robot to remotely deliver a bomb to kill a suspect some years back. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dallas-suspect-first-experts-say/ https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/08/use-robot-kill-dalla...

mulmen 3y ago
It seems pretty easy to have an exception that allows bomb disposal without allowing bomb delivery.
sokoloff 3y ago
"Hourslong negotiations with the man broke down into an exchange of gunfire, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a news conference Friday morning. At that point, the officers deployed a robot armed with an explosive." That's hardly the stuff of Robocop dystopia. That seems a reasonable and proportionate response to a long siege and multiple instances of gunfire exchange in which 5 policemen had lost their lives engaging the suspect.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > That's hardly the stuff of Robocop dystopia. Does it have to be dystopian before one disagrees on principle? I don't want killerbots normalized - the same justifications on this precedent will be applicable to a "Robocop dystopia", such as police departments buying and operating (or contracting) used MQ-9 Reapers or whatever drone Axon is cooking up
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    What does normalized mean here? Do I accept a future in which all people actively engaging police in gunfire over multiple hours are subject to killing by a remote-controlled machine? I do. Do I accept roving bands of killer drones flying overhead programmed to autonomously kill? I do not. It seems like we’re basically in the first circumstance since the use of a robot to terminate the firefight in Dallas was literally unprecedented.
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      > What does normalized mean here? I don't want any police departments to have carte blanche on authorizing drone executions by land, sea or air. The Dallas PD didn't see itself as encumbered by any laws - so they could hypothetically use a UAV to drop explosives today. I would like legislation to prevent this from repeating - using a killerbot shouldn't be a field-decision, IMO. We need clear rules of engagement. At the moment, police forces are adopting military equipment, but not discipline.