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>There is massive friction to being able to post anywhere. Reddit would be objectively better with a less heavy handed approach to moderation Whenever I see th

>There is massive friction to being able to post anywhere. Reddit would be objectively better with a less heavy handed approach to moderation Whenever I see this sentiment I'm honestly stumped as to how anyone's experience can be so different from mine. What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar.

ipaddr 3y ago
Different subs have different rules and different formats on what they expect. Casually posting as you would in one thread might get you banned in another. Here is a good example. As a new user signed up for an account and posted in a sub got a lot of replies but didn't come back for a few months. Tried replying and was forbidden because of low karma points. Never came back.. The reason why you as a long term reddit user are stumped is because your experience is different.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > Different subs have different rules and different formats on what they expect This is a core feature that distinguishes Reddit as a "Community of communities". It's not a bug, it's a feature
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    It's false barriers that setup this tribal mentality where you think you have ownership in a community that someone else owns. Many are discovering this week that their ownership is fleeting
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      It wouldn't be the first time in history that stewards attempted a popular revolt against the real power
ramesh31 3y ago
>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything. No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult. I don't know how many times I've seen an interesting thread from a sub I've never visited, tried to add to the conversation, and got auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies.
- dale_glass 3y ago
  > No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. Good! I only visit well curated subreddits. I don't want drive-by visitors, floods of memes, or similar content. My bread and butter are subreddits like r/DebateReligion and r/AskHistorians. If the mods are not to my liking, there usually is an alternate sub on the same subject that is. So thank you for staying away.
  - ramesh31 3y ago
    >So thank you for staying away. And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. It's amazing to me that if moderation is so hard, why dang can do such a good job single-handedly with a user-base bigger than most subs.
    - dale_glass 3y ago
nanidin 3y ago
My local subreddit has become a proxy for /r/fuckcars and is also pushing a strong pro-new-airport narrative, among other things. There is a subreddit rule against “creating drama in the community” and any comment against the hive mind on these topics is interpreted by the mods as creating drama and removed, sometimes including a temporary ban. They more or less enforce the echo chamber. Disagreement is futile. Meanwhile, reporting comments that clearly violate the subreddit rules for things like ad-hominem attacks and spam in turn get the reporter reported to Reddit admins for abusing the report button. From my perspective a few of the elder mods stepped down and were replaced by activist mods that are moderating with strong, shameless ego to reinforce their preferred viewpoints and narrative.
- LordDragonfang 3y ago
  That's unfortunate, and you've managed to present one of the few good counterexamples there. Unfortunately, "<city name>" isn't really a great topic for a singular community, since cities, by nature, host multitudes, and are inherently political entities. The best alternative is probably to create your own sub, or try to talk to one of the mods about it in private so as not to create drama.
  - nanidin 3y ago
    Unfortunately messaging the mods about moderation activity is also against the rules of that particular subreddit and will also result in a ban.
    - LordDragonfang 3y ago
      Okay, you got me, those mods are on a power trip lol. Although it depends on the size of the subreddit - you tend to get a lot of idiots who complain incessantly about plainly justified moderation, and we have to remember that these are literally unpaid volunteers, they're entitled to take actions that make their job easier.

ipaddr 3y ago

Different subs have different rules and different formats on what they expect. Casually posting as you would in one thread might get you banned in another. Here is a good example. As a new user signed up for an account and posted in a sub got a lot of replies but didn't come back for a few months. Tried replying and was forbidden because of low karma points. Never came back.. The reason why you as a long term reddit user are stumped is because your experience is different.

sangnoir 3y ago
> Different subs have different rules and different formats on what they expect This is a core feature that distinguishes Reddit as a "Community of communities". It's not a bug, it's a feature
- ipaddr 3y ago
  It's false barriers that setup this tribal mentality where you think you have ownership in a community that someone else owns. Many are discovering this week that their ownership is fleeting
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    It wouldn't be the first time in history that stewards attempted a popular revolt against the real power

ramesh31 3y ago

>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything. No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult. I don't know how many times I've seen an interesting thread from a sub I've never visited, tried to add to the conversation, and got auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies.

dale_glass 3y ago
> No, I'm not going to "revise my post" to step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. Good! I only visit well curated subreddits. I don't want drive-by visitors, floods of memes, or similar content. My bread and butter are subreddits like r/DebateReligion and r/AskHistorians. If the mods are not to my liking, there usually is an alternate sub on the same subject that is. So thank you for staying away.
- ramesh31 3y ago
  >So thank you for staying away. And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. It's amazing to me that if moderation is so hard, why dang can do such a good job single-handedly with a user-base bigger than most subs.
  - dale_glass 3y ago

nanidin 3y ago

My local subreddit has become a proxy for /r/fuckcars and is also pushing a strong pro-new-airport narrative, among other things. There is a subreddit rule against “creating drama in the community” and any comment against the hive mind on these topics is interpreted by the mods as creating drama and removed, sometimes including a temporary ban. They more or less enforce the echo chamber. Disagreement is futile. Meanwhile, reporting comments that clearly violate the subreddit rules for things like ad-hominem attacks and spam in turn get the reporter reported to Reddit admins for abusing the report button. From my perspective a few of the elder mods stepped down and were replaced by activist mods that are moderating with strong, shameless ego to reinforce their preferred viewpoints and narrative.

LordDragonfang 3y ago
That's unfortunate, and you've managed to present one of the few good counterexamples there. Unfortunately, "<city name>" isn't really a great topic for a singular community, since cities, by nature, host multitudes, and are inherently political entities. The best alternative is probably to create your own sub, or try to talk to one of the mods about it in private so as not to create drama.
- nanidin 3y ago
  Unfortunately messaging the mods about moderation activity is also against the rules of that particular subreddit and will also result in a ban.
  - LordDragonfang 3y ago
    Okay, you got me, those mods are on a power trip lol. Although it depends on the size of the subreddit - you tend to get a lot of idiots who complain incessantly about plainly justified moderation, and we have to remember that these are literally unpaid volunteers, they're entitled to take actions that make their job easier.