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It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forwa
by themaninthedark 3y ago
It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forward.
One of the things I have noticed is that the boycott is not from the users but from the mods of the community. Even if the community had a vote, if you want to boycott fine but they are forcing others to go along with with them.
So either they are not the majority or they feel that the community has such little willpower to continue the boycott that they must force them to take part.
- Maxion 3y agoHuh? All subreddits that have ran votes, the community has been in majority favor of closing.
- intothemild 3y agoI voted on a few of those, so these were real, and the outcome was overwhelmingly voting for blackout. I think the larger issue is now the blackout is still continuing the addicts are needing their fix.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoNot what I've seen at all, which is why many subs are reopened with stickied posts saying it's what their communities wanted.
- ahahahahah 3y agoThat is (1) not true and (2) meaningless given most of those polls were brigaded by a small set of vocal whiny users voting in subreddits they aren't even involved in (3) even given both if those, I doubt you can find a poll for a large subreddit that shows even 10% of users supporting a blackout.
- spicymapotofu 3y agoSo, can you show how most polls were brigaded?
- slaymaker1907 3y agor/freemagic users who were banned from r/magicTCG talked about voting in the r/magicTCG poll. Apparently, mods of r/tennis posted in a Discord asking people to come help and vote to support the blackout as well. A lot of polls were mentioned in r/ModCoord which biases strongly in favor of the blackout. There’s much more incentive to brigade on the blackout side since users who don’t care about the subs in question lose nothing by those subs going private.
- ahahahahah 3y agoEh, I gave you the clear out under #3 where you could show that these blackouts were really the will of the people. You haven't done that, if your strongest argument is about "oh, prove there was brigading", I think we're at the point where, at best for you, any polls are basically just meaningless (if they were meaningful you could use them under point #3 to refute me).
- themaninthedark 3y agoI saw posts in threads here saying that some sub-reddits didn't have votes. And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to. If the majority of the users wanted to boycott, then if they don't go to Reddit.com, simple as that.
- p_j_w 3y ago>And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to. They're always free to go start their own subreddits.
- mardifoufs 3y agoThe same is true for the mods. Mods don't own subreddits, the community does. If they want to close down communities that aren't theirs, why not just quit Reddit? They are free to stop moderating.
- pseudalopex 3y ago> Mods don't own subreddits, the community does. Reddit's practices until now said the opposite.
- mardifoufs 3y agoAnd that's a pretty terrible thing. I guess it's biting them in the ass now.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoI think it is a weird subject for popular vote to begin with. Every individual already had the option to post or not post, moderate or not moderate. The vote only impacted those who wanted to remain active.
- hackinthebochs 3y agoVery likely non-representative due to sampling bias and brigading.
- pseudalopex 3y agoProve it.
- hackinthebochs 3y agoThat's not how it works. If you want to claim some poll as evidence of user sentiment, you have to prove that it is representative.
- pseudalopex 3y agoDo you claim all polls are brigaded until disproven? Or those you don't like?
- hackinthebochs 3y agoNo, just the ones that people are strongly motivated to brigade, and ones where I saw discussion of discord groups where links to such polls were posted to mobilize brigaders. But none of that should matter. If you claim your poll is representative, you need to demonstrate it. Don't make claims that outpace your evidence. It's not that hard.
- ummonk 3y agor/pics had 56,000 votes. That would be quite a lot of brigading... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14b2a6q/poll_decide_on_the_future_of_rpics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14b2a6q/poll_decide_o...
- slaymaker1907 3y agoI guess r/SaltLakeCity and r/NewOrleans don’t exist.
- jayd16 3y agoYou'd end up with unmoderated subs if the mods just went on strike.
- themaninthedark 3y agoAnd that would then be Reddit's problem would it not?
- jayd16 3y agoPossibly much more harmful to the users.
- jonathankoren 3y agoFirst labor strike, huh? Ask yourself, who told you that was true? The strikers? Or the guy with the vested interest in breaking the strike and desperate to find anyone -- literally anyone -- to cross the line?
- themaninthedark 3y agoIf the mods want to go on strike it's not a problem. What I am talking about is that the mods decided to drag the users into their issue. I don't even use Reddit that often, I see that there is a vocal contingent that is telling me how Reddit is ruining Reddit. If the company wants to kill their community, that is their prerogative. If it kills their company, that is what happens.
- jonathankoren 3y ago[flagged]
- s1artibartfast 3y agoStrikes can't stop people from crossing the line and becoming scabs. I think that sets this situation apart in an interesting way. Subs didn't vote on if they wanted to keep posting/moderating. They essentially voted on if dissidents or the minority can keep posting/moderating
- jonathankoren 3y agoThey voted on making their subs private. Everything you wrote is a gross misrepresentation of the stituation.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoI think it perfectly accurate but maybe I'm missing something. If I want to participate in a protest by not creating content, I don't need a vote or moderator permission to do so. I can just do it. Going private means that people who want to post can't. In terms of a strike, it wasn't some people walking out. It was a vote to walk out and then prevent everyone else who wants to work from doing so
- burnished 3y agoThe communities I frequent voted for the blackout and voted again on whether to make it permanent
- bbor 3y agoIt sounds like that to you because they’re implying that, without evidence. Worth evaluating the biases of the sources here :)