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The UI team who designed this atrocity of a web app needs to be made public and shamed and the executives who signed off on it need to be fired and never allowe
by nerdchum 3y ago
The UI team who designed this atrocity of a web app needs to be made public and shamed and the executives who signed off on it need to be fired and never allowed to work in the industry again.
- dcchambers 3y agoI wouldn't necessarily shame the developers and designers that were just doing what the PM/leadership at Reddit told them to do while getting paid to do so. It's a job - nothing more.
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- nerdchum 3y agoYeah that's why I didn't mention developers. I know they're just doing what they are supposed to and I've been there spitting out shitty code for management. This app monstrosity reeks of nepotism driven management or friend driven management. No UI team in their right mind would create something like this
- bbor 3y agoYeahhhh I don’t think it’s engineers fault. Reddit used to be gorgeous. It’s about showing more ads, measuring engagements, fitting different (more casual) usecases as validated by A/B tests, etc. “the engineers and designers are just dumb” is intellectually lazy IMO, with no offense intended :)
- davisr 3y agoYes and no. The engineers and designers probably are dumb, but they were specifically hired by management to engineer and design management's vision. They would not have been hired if they did not share management's vision. If they have better taste, then they should quit. I bet lots have, but they don't work at Reddit anymore. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lLcpcytUnWU https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lLcpcytUnWU
- nerdchum 3y agoNever said engineers. The engineering is fine. Designers though..absolutely. If what youre saying is true ..implementing dark patterns to increase ad sales and user engagement over quality ui, content, and a historical beloved ui is a big middle finger to their users. All involved should be made public and shamed.
- bbor 3y agoApologies, I wasn’t reading carefully enough! Not sure I agree that UX is more or less culpable for dark patterns than SWE, but I see the distinction Always found they distinction interesting. At my last role UX was very technical, and I’ve taken design/HCI courses as part of CS curriculum, so it’s always weird to see them sectioned off as a type of… artists, I guess? When HN dies down from the blackouts perhaps I’ll broach the more academic “what is an engineer?” question. :)
- nerdchum 3y agoThe term engineer is a little vague can be applied to anyone who makes something. My buddy who put pontoons on a picnic table could be considered an marine engineer. ;) I guess graphic designers could be considered engineers, since they use color science and UX research. There's definitely a subjective element there. I personally define engineering where the design ends and code/implementation begins, otherwise its UI, UX, and design and even the tools used are different up to that point. And typically in a lot of companies the design vs code responsibilities are differentiated as well.
- rumblerock 3y agoAbove the designers I'd take a hard look at the PMs, who probably broke what was a better initial re-design to maximize ads / metrics.