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Benefits of fossil fuels for developing countries greatly outweigh risks of climate change. Preventing climate change is a luxury good for wealthy countries so

Benefits of fossil fuels for developing countries greatly outweigh risks of climate change. Preventing climate change is a luxury good for wealthy countries so that they can get the psychological benefits from stability and nature worship.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
Luckily, that's no longer true. Solar panels and $8000 EV's are cheaper than natgas plants and gasoline cars. And if the fossil fuel deliveries are interrupted for any reason, the economy doesn't immediately collapse.
- eesmith 3y ago
  What's an example of an $8000 EV? A 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV starts at $26,500. A 2023 Mitsubishi Mirage starts at $16,245. A new golf cart is about $8K, says https://thefunoutdoors.com/golf/golf-cart-prices/ https://thefunoutdoors.com/golf/golf-cart-prices/ Otherwise, if you aren't buying a new car, a $4,000 gasoline car is cheaper than an $8,000 EV.
  - marssaxman 3y ago
    Here's an EV which sells for $4500: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56178802 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56178802
    - eesmith 3y ago
      "However, the price is likely to be twice as high due to European environmental requirements" brings it into the $9,000 range. https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2021/04/27/chineseus-cheap-minicar-might-spur-europes-electric-car-mass-market/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2021/04/27/chineseus... says the European model is about $12,000 after tax. For what it's worth, the Suzuki S-Presso seems to be about $5,200 in India, according to https://www.marutisuzuki.com/price-list/s-presso-price https://www.marutisuzuki.com/price-list/s-presso-price or $9,000 in South Africa, according to https://www.cars.co.za/motoring-news/updated-suzuki-s-presso-2023-specs-price/138641/ https://www.cars.co.za/motoring-news/updated-suzuki-s-presso... . Oh, hey! The Citroen Ami is an electric car^Wquadracycle for about $7,000 in France. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-citroen-ami-first-drive-review/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-citroen-ami-first-dr...
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        The Wuling mini is available in some African countries for around $5000.
        eesmith 3y ago
        I am pleased about my new knowledge of small electric vehicles. Your pointer lead me to https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/13/what-a-lovely-surprise-the-wuling-hongguang-mini-ev-in-zimbabwe/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/13/what-a-lovely-surprise-... which highlighted how much fuel costs in Zimbabwe, leading to interest in these cars. Thank you to all who answered my question!

bryanlarsen 3y ago

Luckily, that's no longer true. Solar panels and $8000 EV's are cheaper than natgas plants and gasoline cars. And if the fossil fuel deliveries are interrupted for any reason, the economy doesn't immediately collapse.

eesmith 3y ago
What's an example of an $8000 EV? A 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV starts at $26,500. A 2023 Mitsubishi Mirage starts at $16,245. A new golf cart is about $8K, says https://thefunoutdoors.com/golf/golf-cart-prices/ https://thefunoutdoors.com/golf/golf-cart-prices/ Otherwise, if you aren't buying a new car, a $4,000 gasoline car is cheaper than an $8,000 EV.
- marssaxman 3y ago
  Here's an EV which sells for $4500: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56178802 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56178802
  - eesmith 3y ago
    "However, the price is likely to be twice as high due to European environmental requirements" brings it into the $9,000 range. https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2021/04/27/chineseus-cheap-minicar-might-spur-europes-electric-car-mass-market/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2021/04/27/chineseus... says the European model is about $12,000 after tax. For what it's worth, the Suzuki S-Presso seems to be about $5,200 in India, according to https://www.marutisuzuki.com/price-list/s-presso-price https://www.marutisuzuki.com/price-list/s-presso-price or $9,000 in South Africa, according to https://www.cars.co.za/motoring-news/updated-suzuki-s-presso-2023-specs-price/138641/ https://www.cars.co.za/motoring-news/updated-suzuki-s-presso... . Oh, hey! The Citroen Ami is an electric car^Wquadracycle for about $7,000 in France. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-citroen-ami-first-drive-review/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-citroen-ami-first-dr...
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      The Wuling mini is available in some African countries for around $5000.
      - eesmith 3y ago
        I am pleased about my new knowledge of small electric vehicles. Your pointer lead me to https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/13/what-a-lovely-surprise-the-wuling-hongguang-mini-ev-in-zimbabwe/ https://cleantechnica.com/2022/07/13/what-a-lovely-surprise-... which highlighted how much fuel costs in Zimbabwe, leading to interest in these cars. Thank you to all who answered my question!