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Not everyone that disagrees with you is doing so in bad faith. Not everything is brigading, etc. Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lo

Not everyone that disagrees with you is doing so in bad faith. Not everything is brigading, etc. Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lot like a tantrum that doesn't represent the best interests of the community. It is a very one-sided argument, as if the moderators are the reason the community exists. No. Moderators are unnecessary without users. It's a symbiosis.

monero-xmr 3y ago
Yeah I don’t give a shit about the blackouts and have been commenting on Reddit how dumb it is. I have been seeing the polls in the subreddits I frequent and it’s like 65/35 to keep them open. Pretty solid majority.
- nullindividual 3y ago
  It’s certainly _not_ dumb to those who are participating in the blackout. Phrasing their position in that light will cause your argument to fall on deaf ears.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    Calling it dumb is a signal that you don't care if the argument falls on deaf ears.
    - nullindividual 3y ago
      It's clear that one cares when they inject themselves into the thread/conversation. If one did not care, one wouldn't be in this thread.
P_I_Staker 3y ago
They will probably have no problem replacing them either. You might have to take a quality dip, at least in theory; In reality it's hard to imagine the mods getting worse. They have a really terrible attitude. It's not just about community relations either, they really, really suck at enforcing rules, so it's not like we're gonna lose quality there. The only reason reddit continues to play nice is to prevent a mass exudus from disgruntled users. They don't WANT the mods to leave, and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods. That said, they're quite replaceable, it seems.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  You're painting mods with a really broad brush, here. There are as many different moderator styles as there are subreddits. > They don't WANT the mods to leave, and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods. I'm not convinced. I think they want the _current_ crop of mods of big subreddits to leave, to be replaced by users who would never dream of protesting Reddit's decisions. > That said, they're quite replaceable, it seems. In terms of popping some users out, and granting others mod access, that's true. In terms of the quality of the subreddit as a result - that would remain to be seen. I've browsed under-moderated subreddits that are relevant to my interests, and it's not a good experience.
  - P_I_Staker 3y ago
    Are they actually going to get replaced by shill mods? It seems more like they will suffer some form of loss for some time, and that they're trying to prevent this. I agree that poor moderation is a problem. However, it seems that moderation on reddit is quite poor to begin with.
- dumpsterlid 3y ago
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- SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
  > and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods How about all the Apollo and RiF users? I'm sympathetic and supportive of the mods but I'm angry because at the end of the month the app I've been using for more than a decade will be no longer functional due to choices Reddit is making.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    I wonder if Apollo could return as Apollo Premium, with only paid accounts. What fraction of old Apollo users would be willing to subscribe to keep that functionality?
deeviant 3y ago
> Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lot like a tantrum that doesn't represent the best interests of the community. I've yet to seen a single coherent argument that supports this statement. Please enlighten me.
- runnr_az 3y ago
  I use Reddit to talk about local stuff, ultralight gear. The larger world of mods and “power users” and whatnot - not super relevant. I understand how ya’ll feel, but is blocking people from using r/tempe really useful? “I’m gonna make Reddit completely unusable so Reddit doesn’t become shitty”
  - jfdbcv 3y ago
    Isn't the whole point of making communities private to make Reddit more unusable and therefore try to decrease engagement?
  - deeviant 3y ago
    In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. The alternatives are not palatable to many, so the users are basically being unilaterally banished from Reddit. And that's just the opening salvo to monetize reddit. Give it another year, and your little sub will have 3 ad posts per "actual" post and modded by the Tempe Chamber of Commerce.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      > In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. It's more like mods are a disproportionate number of 3rd party users due to wanting to mod from their phones, and are making the blackout decision for everybody.
      - deeviant 3y ago

monero-xmr 3y ago

Yeah I don’t give a shit about the blackouts and have been commenting on Reddit how dumb it is. I have been seeing the polls in the subreddits I frequent and it’s like 65/35 to keep them open. Pretty solid majority.

nullindividual 3y ago
It’s certainly _not_ dumb to those who are participating in the blackout. Phrasing their position in that light will cause your argument to fall on deaf ears.
- Zetice 3y ago
  Calling it dumb is a signal that you don't care if the argument falls on deaf ears.
  - nullindividual 3y ago
    It's clear that one cares when they inject themselves into the thread/conversation. If one did not care, one wouldn't be in this thread.

P_I_Staker 3y ago

They will probably have no problem replacing them either. You might have to take a quality dip, at least in theory; In reality it's hard to imagine the mods getting worse. They have a really terrible attitude. It's not just about community relations either, they really, really suck at enforcing rules, so it's not like we're gonna lose quality there. The only reason reddit continues to play nice is to prevent a mass exudus from disgruntled users. They don't WANT the mods to leave, and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods. That said, they're quite replaceable, it seems.

pavel_lishin 3y ago
You're painting mods with a really broad brush, here. There are as many different moderator styles as there are subreddits. > They don't WANT the mods to leave, and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods. I'm not convinced. I think they want the _current_ crop of mods of big subreddits to leave, to be replaced by users who would never dream of protesting Reddit's decisions. > That said, they're quite replaceable, it seems. In terms of popping some users out, and granting others mod access, that's true. In terms of the quality of the subreddit as a result - that would remain to be seen. I've browsed under-moderated subreddits that are relevant to my interests, and it's not a good experience.
- P_I_Staker 3y ago
  Are they actually going to get replaced by shill mods? It seems more like they will suffer some form of loss for some time, and that they're trying to prevent this. I agree that poor moderation is a problem. However, it seems that moderation on reddit is quite poor to begin with.
dumpsterlid 3y ago
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SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
> and I do think it's a problem to embitter, and anger community, even just the mods How about all the Apollo and RiF users? I'm sympathetic and supportive of the mods but I'm angry because at the end of the month the app I've been using for more than a decade will be no longer functional due to choices Reddit is making.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  I wonder if Apollo could return as Apollo Premium, with only paid accounts. What fraction of old Apollo users would be willing to subscribe to keep that functionality?

deeviant 3y ago

> Some of us think that the blackouts are starting to look a lot like a tantrum that doesn't represent the best interests of the community. I've yet to seen a single coherent argument that supports this statement. Please enlighten me.

runnr_az 3y ago
I use Reddit to talk about local stuff, ultralight gear. The larger world of mods and “power users” and whatnot - not super relevant. I understand how ya’ll feel, but is blocking people from using r/tempe really useful? “I’m gonna make Reddit completely unusable so Reddit doesn’t become shitty”
- jfdbcv 3y ago
  Isn't the whole point of making communities private to make Reddit more unusable and therefore try to decrease engagement?
- deeviant 3y ago
  In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. The alternatives are not palatable to many, so the users are basically being unilaterally banished from Reddit. And that's just the opening salvo to monetize reddit. Give it another year, and your little sub will have 3 ad posts per "actual" post and modded by the Tempe Chamber of Commerce.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    > In a couple weeks, the main way many people use Reddit is going to literally be blocked forever. This is false. Stats showed 3rd party app users were an extreme minority of users. It's more like mods are a disproportionate number of 3rd party users due to wanting to mod from their phones, and are making the blackout decision for everybody.
    - deeviant 3y ago