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Welcome to do all the moderating yourself Huffman. It's the task that all other social networks are constantly struggling with and coming up against laws and re

Welcome to do all the moderating yourself Huffman. It's the task that all other social networks are constantly struggling with and coming up against laws and regulations, while Reddit had it somewhat figured out, or at least had some systems in place that are better than automated blanked removal. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Welcome to do all the moderating yourself Huffman This is obviously the endgame. I don’t even think it would be that expensive.
- km3r 3y ago
  There are significantly more mods than reddit employees. Reddits already struggling to be profitable and you think they can afford to pay moderators?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > significantly more mods than reddit employees. Reddits already struggling to be profitable and you think they can afford to pay moderators? They're going to sacrifice quality. In the short run, that will work. The smart move would be to moderate with a small, expensive lead and cheaper offshore, arund-the-world talent. (The brilliant move would be to negotiate, but Huffman has made this personal.) Keep in mind the power law nature of content. What makes Reddit charming is the long tail. What makes it profitable, in the short term, is the short end. They don't need to hire mods for every subreddit, just the large ones, and among those, only those rebelling and unwilling to relent.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > I don’t even think it would be that expensive. Agreed. I'll eat my hat if there aren't a few Reddit engineers working to leverage LLMs to make auto-moderation way more effective. I don't know how soon they'll get to the point of not needing any volunteer moderators, but I won't be surprised if within a year or so they have only professional supervisors for all the popular subreddits.
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    You’re insane if you think that is happening in the next decade. Half of moderation is just deciding what kind of content you want on the subreddit. Should discussion be serious or jokey? Memes allowed? Or maybe a joke is being run into the ground and needs to get banned just to keep the memes funny for longtime browsers? Something like r/SmashBros closing the subreddit for a weekend when the new game launched and funneling new users (ie casual normies) into an alternative subreddit is sometimes the best thing moderators can do, but getting an AI to intuit when/whether to do that would be nigh impossible.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      > Should discussion be serious or jokey? Memes allowed? Or maybe a joke is being run into the ground and needs to get banned just to keep the memes funny for longtime browsers? Thank you for your perspective. In one paragraph that explains so much about why Reddit sucks.
      - dmonitor 3y ago
        they're herding cats out there
  - htrp 3y ago
    LLMs for auto moderation would cost significantly more than the labor that the mods put in.
- post-it 3y ago
  Yeah, from the article: > Researchers from University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated in a study last year that the amount of hours worked by mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million. That's not a lot. Reddit's annual revenue is ~$500 million.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Welcome to do all the moderating yourself Huffman This is obviously the endgame. I don’t even think it would be that expensive.

km3r 3y ago
There are significantly more mods than reddit employees. Reddits already struggling to be profitable and you think they can afford to pay moderators?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > significantly more mods than reddit employees. Reddits already struggling to be profitable and you think they can afford to pay moderators? They're going to sacrifice quality. In the short run, that will work. The smart move would be to moderate with a small, expensive lead and cheaper offshore, arund-the-world talent. (The brilliant move would be to negotiate, but Huffman has made this personal.) Keep in mind the power law nature of content. What makes Reddit charming is the long tail. What makes it profitable, in the short term, is the short end. They don't need to hire mods for every subreddit, just the large ones, and among those, only those rebelling and unwilling to relent.
rootusrootus 3y ago
> I don’t even think it would be that expensive. Agreed. I'll eat my hat if there aren't a few Reddit engineers working to leverage LLMs to make auto-moderation way more effective. I don't know how soon they'll get to the point of not needing any volunteer moderators, but I won't be surprised if within a year or so they have only professional supervisors for all the popular subreddits.
- dmonitor 3y ago
  You’re insane if you think that is happening in the next decade. Half of moderation is just deciding what kind of content you want on the subreddit. Should discussion be serious or jokey? Memes allowed? Or maybe a joke is being run into the ground and needs to get banned just to keep the memes funny for longtime browsers? Something like r/SmashBros closing the subreddit for a weekend when the new game launched and funneling new users (ie casual normies) into an alternative subreddit is sometimes the best thing moderators can do, but getting an AI to intuit when/whether to do that would be nigh impossible.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    > Should discussion be serious or jokey? Memes allowed? Or maybe a joke is being run into the ground and needs to get banned just to keep the memes funny for longtime browsers? Thank you for your perspective. In one paragraph that explains so much about why Reddit sucks.
    - dmonitor 3y ago
      they're herding cats out there
- htrp 3y ago
  LLMs for auto moderation would cost significantly more than the labor that the mods put in.
post-it 3y ago
Yeah, from the article: > Researchers from University of Minnesota Twin Cities and Northwestern University estimated in a study last year that the amount of hours worked by mods in 2020 was worth $3.4 million. That's not a lot. Reddit's annual revenue is ~$500 million.