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Should Apple be allowed to kneecap competitors products (e.g smartwatches?)? They pretty clearly keep APIs to themselves to make their own products seem better.

Should Apple be allowed to kneecap competitors products (e.g smartwatches?)? They pretty clearly keep APIs to themselves to make their own products seem better. It's one thing to keep an unpolished rapidly changing API out of view and another to prevent competitors from doing the same thing on your platform that your 8th generation product does.

scarface_74 3y ago
Do exactly which private API is used to “kneecap” competitors?
- goosedragons 3y ago
  Things like replying to messages via. the watch. On iOS the ONLY watch allowed to do this is of course the Apple Watch.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    This is not true. You can reply to messages from Slack on your watch and it use to be better when they had a Watch app 5 years ago. https://www.techradar.com/news/slack-is-dropping-its-apple-watch-app-but-youll-still-get-messages-to-your-wrist https://www.techradar.com/news/slack-is-dropping-its-apple-w...
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      Where did I mention Slack? I say "messages" and you assume Slack? Seriously? Also WTF does that article have to do with non-Apple smartwatches being unable to reply to message notifications on iOS? You can not reply to SMS or iMessage notifications on non-Apple smartwatches. It's not allowed.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        What are you talking about then? Using a third party app that can reply to your iMessages or SMS? Why in the heck would I trust a third party for my SMS messages? But as far as third party watches replying to SMS/iMessages, they could do it just like you respond to messages from cars before CarPlay was a thing - you support the appropriate Bluetooth profile. Microsoft did it on computers without official Apple support https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23654672/microsoft-phone-link-hands-on-imessage-ios https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23654672/microsoft-phone-...
        goosedragons 3y ago
        I'm talking about replying to SMS/iMessages from a non-Apple smartwatch. For example, with my Garmin watch on Android I can do things like send a canned message like "Yes" or "On my way" or whatever from the watch itself in reply to a notification. This is not possible on iOS with a non-Apple watch. Why wouldn't you trust it? Yes, in theory a smartwatch could abuse my trust and send my friends spam or something but so could some no name Bluetooth keyboard yet I can use those just fine on iOS. Why should APPLE get to decide what devices I trust? Microsoft did a hacky workaround with a whole host of limitations that proves my point. Apple is keeping the proper way to do it to themselves to make their products seem better.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        There is a standardized Bluetooth protocol called the “Messaging Access Protocol”. Any Bluetooth device that you connect to the phone can work with that protocol and send and receive messages. It worked with my old 2011 Ford Fusion. The iPhone has supported that for at least a decade.
        goosedragons 3y ago
        Ok? Maybe it's unsuitable for a smartwatch (e.g power draw)? This is a limitation common across non-Apple smartwatches on iOS. If it was SO simple you'd think they'd all do it and wouldn't have taken Microsoft 5+ years since the rollout of Phone Link. I get that you love Apple but my man they are not the good guy you seem to believe. Have fun living in the reality distortion field, I hope you wake up one day.

scarface_74 3y ago

Do exactly which private API is used to “kneecap” competitors?

goosedragons 3y ago
Things like replying to messages via. the watch. On iOS the ONLY watch allowed to do this is of course the Apple Watch.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  This is not true. You can reply to messages from Slack on your watch and it use to be better when they had a Watch app 5 years ago. https://www.techradar.com/news/slack-is-dropping-its-apple-watch-app-but-youll-still-get-messages-to-your-wrist https://www.techradar.com/news/slack-is-dropping-its-apple-w...
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    Where did I mention Slack? I say "messages" and you assume Slack? Seriously? Also WTF does that article have to do with non-Apple smartwatches being unable to reply to message notifications on iOS? You can not reply to SMS or iMessage notifications on non-Apple smartwatches. It's not allowed.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      What are you talking about then? Using a third party app that can reply to your iMessages or SMS? Why in the heck would I trust a third party for my SMS messages? But as far as third party watches replying to SMS/iMessages, they could do it just like you respond to messages from cars before CarPlay was a thing - you support the appropriate Bluetooth profile. Microsoft did it on computers without official Apple support https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23654672/microsoft-phone-link-hands-on-imessage-ios https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23654672/microsoft-phone-...
      - goosedragons 3y ago
        I'm talking about replying to SMS/iMessages from a non-Apple smartwatch. For example, with my Garmin watch on Android I can do things like send a canned message like "Yes" or "On my way" or whatever from the watch itself in reply to a notification. This is not possible on iOS with a non-Apple watch. Why wouldn't you trust it? Yes, in theory a smartwatch could abuse my trust and send my friends spam or something but so could some no name Bluetooth keyboard yet I can use those just fine on iOS. Why should APPLE get to decide what devices I trust? Microsoft did a hacky workaround with a whole host of limitations that proves my point. Apple is keeping the proper way to do it to themselves to make their products seem better.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        There is a standardized Bluetooth protocol called the “Messaging Access Protocol”. Any Bluetooth device that you connect to the phone can work with that protocol and send and receive messages. It worked with my old 2011 Ford Fusion. The iPhone has supported that for at least a decade.
        goosedragons 3y ago
        Ok? Maybe it's unsuitable for a smartwatch (e.g power draw)? This is a limitation common across non-Apple smartwatches on iOS. If it was SO simple you'd think they'd all do it and wouldn't have taken Microsoft 5+ years since the rollout of Phone Link. I get that you love Apple but my man they are not the good guy you seem to believe. Have fun living in the reality distortion field, I hope you wake up one day.