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You aren’t even mentioning the NSFW poison pill they added. Even if the pricing had been workable, this was never designed to do anything but kill external API

by dimmke 3y ago

You aren’t even mentioning the NSFW poison pill they added. Even if the pricing had been workable, this was never designed to do anything but kill external API access. I definitely would have paid $6 a month to keep using Apollo.

anaganisk 3y ago
The percentage of their party apps, vs people using the first party app, just based on Google play downloads is very miniscule. It is like saying using youtube-dl to consume YouTube is killing it. I mean we all love sponsor block and uBlock origin, do we have the same sympathy for YouTube?
- dimmke 3y ago
  The other thing about this that is so crazy is that services like Facebook Twitter and Instagram have all had heavily locked down APIs for a long time. Like, you couldn’t just start using their API you had to sign up and get approval. It moated social media management software like Hootsuite. I know this because at one of my previous roles they wanted us to build a simple version of software like that and integrate it into their content management system but we couldn’t without also paying the full ticket for third party SaaS so it killed the project. They could switch to something like that. Where compliance is checked and revoked. It would kill bots but not apps. But this was never designed to work, it’s how disingenuous it is that pisses me off.
Dah00n 3y ago
>NSFW poison pill Could you explain what you mean by this?
- dimmke 3y ago
  Something that has gotten lost amidst all the pricing talk is that Reddit said their API would also stop serving any content marked as NSFW, essentially making it useless for any third party app (general use or moderator use) even if they could come to an agreement on pricing.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    I see. Thank you. That is quite important information, and it is a clear problem for moderators in my opinion.
  - Washuu 3y ago
    The NSFW thing is extra annoying because there are a lot of subreddits that use the NSFW flag to mark entries as something else with styles applied to change the appearance.
    - dimmke 3y ago
      Yeah, a huge % (I have no way of getting a real number but I’d bet everything on >25% of content on Reddit is marked as NSFW. It would make any client unusable. The only way these API change make sense if the rumor that Steven Huffman is actually delusional enough to think that companies building LLMs will pay to use Reddit for training data is true.

by dimmke 3y ago

anaganisk 3y ago

The percentage of their party apps, vs people using the first party app, just based on Google play downloads is very miniscule. It is like saying using youtube-dl to consume YouTube is killing it. I mean we all love sponsor block and uBlock origin, do we have the same sympathy for YouTube?

dimmke 3y ago
The other thing about this that is so crazy is that services like Facebook Twitter and Instagram have all had heavily locked down APIs for a long time. Like, you couldn’t just start using their API you had to sign up and get approval. It moated social media management software like Hootsuite. I know this because at one of my previous roles they wanted us to build a simple version of software like that and integrate it into their content management system but we couldn’t without also paying the full ticket for third party SaaS so it killed the project. They could switch to something like that. Where compliance is checked and revoked. It would kill bots but not apps. But this was never designed to work, it’s how disingenuous it is that pisses me off.

Dah00n 3y ago

>NSFW poison pill Could you explain what you mean by this?

dimmke 3y ago
Something that has gotten lost amidst all the pricing talk is that Reddit said their API would also stop serving any content marked as NSFW, essentially making it useless for any third party app (general use or moderator use) even if they could come to an agreement on pricing.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  I see. Thank you. That is quite important information, and it is a clear problem for moderators in my opinion.
- Washuu 3y ago
  The NSFW thing is extra annoying because there are a lot of subreddits that use the NSFW flag to mark entries as something else with styles applied to change the appearance.
  - dimmke 3y ago
    Yeah, a huge % (I have no way of getting a real number but I’d bet everything on >25% of content on Reddit is marked as NSFW. It would make any client unusable. The only way these API change make sense if the rumor that Steven Huffman is actually delusional enough to think that companies building LLMs will pay to use Reddit for training data is true.