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They own deleted data too. If I would be selling this data I would just cleanup all edits and deletes starting from a few weeks ago to a time when the Internet

by comboy 3y ago

They own deleted data too. If I would be selling this data I would just cleanup all edits and deletes starting from a few weeks ago to a time when the Internet gets bored with the drama. In modern chaotic world usually the best weapon against something you don't like is to just ignore it (there are exceptions of course).

chongli 3y ago
Why not use a bot to automatically post brand new chatgpt-generated fake comments in between edits with fake stuff? Or automate making edits that insert/delete/replace one word with a random word? There's many different things to do that could trash the data and make it worthless for training AI. With the right tools, this sort of automation can also be made very difficult to detect (randomize the time interval between edits and the time of day on which they occur [normally distributed during prime time]).
- comboy 3y ago
  The data is already there. People will get bored with manipulations and they can just ignore current timespan. Even currently, creative individuals is 0.01% of users which is easy to spot with simple heuristics especially given such a small percentage and the fact that false positives don't hurt. Detecting automated / fake content and silently marking it is probably 90% of what coders do there even without the drama. I think they are pretty decent at it. Even if they couldn't distinguish fake content, there's a good chance neither could its buyers so nobody cares. I just think it's a bad fight to choose.
- NortySpock 3y ago
  Costs more money to develop and run a ChatGPT bot than it is to say UPDATE comments WITH SKIPLOCK SET _soft_deleted_time = null WHERE _soft_deleted_time > '2023-05-01'
  - chongli 3y ago
    Why not shut down the whole site then? They already have an archive of everything from before then. The question is what you do about future content? If it can no longer be trusted then it’s worthless as a dataset for training.
moi2388 3y ago
That is not how the GDPR works. They have to delete all information upon request or termination of the service.

by comboy 3y ago

chongli 3y ago

Why not use a bot to automatically post brand new chatgpt-generated fake comments in between edits with fake stuff? Or automate making edits that insert/delete/replace one word with a random word? There's many different things to do that could trash the data and make it worthless for training AI. With the right tools, this sort of automation can also be made very difficult to detect (randomize the time interval between edits and the time of day on which they occur [normally distributed during prime time]).

comboy 3y ago
The data is already there. People will get bored with manipulations and they can just ignore current timespan. Even currently, creative individuals is 0.01% of users which is easy to spot with simple heuristics especially given such a small percentage and the fact that false positives don't hurt. Detecting automated / fake content and silently marking it is probably 90% of what coders do there even without the drama. I think they are pretty decent at it. Even if they couldn't distinguish fake content, there's a good chance neither could its buyers so nobody cares. I just think it's a bad fight to choose.
NortySpock 3y ago
Costs more money to develop and run a ChatGPT bot than it is to say UPDATE comments WITH SKIPLOCK SET _soft_deleted_time = null WHERE _soft_deleted_time > '2023-05-01'
- chongli 3y ago
  Why not shut down the whole site then? They already have an archive of everything from before then. The question is what you do about future content? If it can no longer be trusted then it’s worthless as a dataset for training.

moi2388 3y ago

That is not how the GDPR works. They have to delete all information upon request or termination of the service.