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Neither of these things required any change from regular people. In fact, today many people say that ozone hole just disappeared, because the changes needed wer

by exitb 3y ago

Neither of these things required any change from regular people. In fact, today many people say that ozone hole just disappeared, because the changes needed were so transparent, no one even noticed. Is there a way people can continue their normal lives, but still eliminate the green house gasses emissions?

swader999 3y ago
We won't reduce emissions unless there's a massive reduction in population. Otherwise normal people will adapt. Less people will die if the planet warms more. Extreme cold events kill more than heat waves do and that's even without including the seasonal flu and cardiac events related to the cold.
- Timon3 3y ago
  There are hard limits on how much heat a human can take. We cannot adapt beyond, except for literally never going outside again.
  - swader999 3y ago
    Which is the norm and always has been in places like Arizona in the summer. I didn't go out for more than an hour at a time in Tucson in the summer when I lived there. Anything longer and you seriously thought about and prepared for it. This has always been the way humans lived in these areas.
    - exitb 3y ago
      Arizona is a warm, but dry place. Temperature of 38C can be both mildly inconvenient and deadly, depending on the humidity. There are densely populated areas of the world that are much more humid than Arizona and are getting warmer. Eventually people will ditch those places and start to move towards milder climates.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      And what do you do if it's not just in the summer, but the whole year? What if it's parts of the earth where a lot of poor people live?
    - CleaveIt2Beaver 3y ago
      What crops do you grow in those conditions?
    - abenga 3y ago
      So we should be fine with an increasing proportion of the populated environment that never experienced these conditions beginning to?
tourmalinetaco 3y ago
> Is there a way people can continue their normal lives, but still eliminate the green house gasses emissions? Yes, but real change can never happen as long as those who are in power continue to remain in power. Though green house emissions are a smokescreen used by serial climate offenders to present a “green” image while causing immense ecological damage behind the scenes. It’s important, undoubtedly, but one of many issues such as habitat destruction, chemical dumping, e-waste, etc.
_ea1k 3y ago
When they were happening, everyone noticed the changes regarding the ozone hole. Whether they believe those changes were impactful is a different matter.
holbrad 3y ago
This take annoys some people but... That's basically spot on, trying to convince people that they have to drastically lower or stagnant their standard of living is not going to be a successful strategy. Electric cars only started to gain adoption once they are good enough. Exactly the same with solar panel prices. We just need more technological breakthroughs it's the only realistic strategy.
542354234235 3y ago
>Neither of these things required any change from regular people. Government regulation on business practices. In 1952, London had a smog event that literally killed 12,000 people. Government regulation cleaned up the air and mostly focused on businesses [1]. LA did the same thing [2]. Cap and trade restrictions on SO2 and NOx in the US and EU reduced acid rain causing emissions faster and cheaper than predicted [3]. Force businesses to reduce their CO2 output from their operations and products and they will find they most efficient and profitable way to do so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London [2] https://www.aqmd.gov/home/research/publications/50-years-of-progress https://www.aqmd.gov/home/research/publications/50-years-of-... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain

by exitb 3y ago

swader999 3y ago

We won't reduce emissions unless there's a massive reduction in population. Otherwise normal people will adapt. Less people will die if the planet warms more. Extreme cold events kill more than heat waves do and that's even without including the seasonal flu and cardiac events related to the cold.

Timon3 3y ago
There are hard limits on how much heat a human can take. We cannot adapt beyond, except for literally never going outside again.
- swader999 3y ago
  Which is the norm and always has been in places like Arizona in the summer. I didn't go out for more than an hour at a time in Tucson in the summer when I lived there. Anything longer and you seriously thought about and prepared for it. This has always been the way humans lived in these areas.
  - exitb 3y ago
    Arizona is a warm, but dry place. Temperature of 38C can be both mildly inconvenient and deadly, depending on the humidity. There are densely populated areas of the world that are much more humid than Arizona and are getting warmer. Eventually people will ditch those places and start to move towards milder climates.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    And what do you do if it's not just in the summer, but the whole year? What if it's parts of the earth where a lot of poor people live?
  - CleaveIt2Beaver 3y ago
    What crops do you grow in those conditions?
  - abenga 3y ago
    So we should be fine with an increasing proportion of the populated environment that never experienced these conditions beginning to?

tourmalinetaco 3y ago

> Is there a way people can continue their normal lives, but still eliminate the green house gasses emissions? Yes, but real change can never happen as long as those who are in power continue to remain in power. Though green house emissions are a smokescreen used by serial climate offenders to present a “green” image while causing immense ecological damage behind the scenes. It’s important, undoubtedly, but one of many issues such as habitat destruction, chemical dumping, e-waste, etc.

_ea1k 3y ago

When they were happening, everyone noticed the changes regarding the ozone hole. Whether they believe those changes were impactful is a different matter.

holbrad 3y ago

This take annoys some people but... That's basically spot on, trying to convince people that they have to drastically lower or stagnant their standard of living is not going to be a successful strategy. Electric cars only started to gain adoption once they are good enough. Exactly the same with solar panel prices. We just need more technological breakthroughs it's the only realistic strategy.

542354234235 3y ago

>Neither of these things required any change from regular people. Government regulation on business practices. In 1952, London had a smog event that literally killed 12,000 people. Government regulation cleaned up the air and mostly focused on businesses [1]. LA did the same thing [2]. Cap and trade restrictions on SO2 and NOx in the US and EU reduced acid rain causing emissions faster and cheaper than predicted [3]. Force businesses to reduce their CO2 output from their operations and products and they will find they most efficient and profitable way to do so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London [2] https://www.aqmd.gov/home/research/publications/50-years-of-progress https://www.aqmd.gov/home/research/publications/50-years-of-... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain