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Definitely sounds like some DB issue or other mundane thing. Probably just bad timing with the protestors mass-deleting most likely.
by dmix 3y ago
Definitely sounds like some DB issue or other mundane thing. Probably just bad timing with the protestors mass-deleting most likely.
- FireBeyond 3y agoGiven that Steve (the CEO) has, now or in the past: * edited the content of user comments without acknowledgment, * threatened to or has removed or installed moderators into communities to circumvent the blackout * threatened to "un-private" communities Why are you so sure that he wouldn't authorize un-deletion of comments?
- dmix 3y agoWhat business value would it provide?
- FireBeyond 3y agoWhat business value did editing users comments out from under them? Still happened, though.
- dmix 3y agoI’m not sure how that’s relevant to my question. He was drunk and being an idiot, that wasn’t a major management decision like disallowing deletion of comments which affects the entire platform. That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y agohim editing user comments like he did was also unprecedented, maybe he's just vindictive and belligerent and irrational his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility
- TX81Z 3y agoI think the point being made is that somebody who would get drunk and edit comments on a forum they control is the LAST person who should run a forum of any sort. Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?
- FireBeyond 3y ago"Just drunken modin'!" "Just drunken CEOin'!"
- TX81Z 3y agoHe’s like Rick Sanchez, but instead of a drunk genius he’s just a drunk moron.
- snarfy 3y ago> That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoYou do it before someone has replied to it. Once someone has replied, you can't delete your comment without destroying the context of their comment. It's not just about you at that point.
- Paul-Craft 3y agoWe'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoDoes HN have to care about a GDPR request? HN doesn't have either servers or people in Europe, so far as I know. Even so, that still may not save you. Say you decide you want your post here deleted. Say HN does so, but leaves my reply. And say my reply looks like this: > We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff. Well, Paul-Craft, I don't think it's going to work like that... [End of pretend reply.] Now your post is quoted by mine, and your name is mentioned in mine as the author. Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. Now what?
- johnnyanmac 3y ago>Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine. gdpr =/= right to be forgotten (I'm not even sure if the latter cares about that. That's more about search indexing than perfectly scrubbing your history). GDPR is there to ensure your data can't be stored indefinitely on some private server without your ability to withdraw it. Paul-Craft being quoted saying something that one time on June 17th 2023 is 100x less valuable to a data harvester then a directly post from Paul-Craft himself.
- johnnyanmac 3y agoSure, when the CEO does it it's an excuse, and when I do it I get written up by HR. >Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. I don't think GDPR cares about scale so much as compliance. Scale just affects the fine. >This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week. Sure, I don't disagree. As long as we agree we are both dabbling in speculation. could be an honest mistake, could be the next phase of panic from a sight that is flailing about to keep its valuation from dropping further. I won't claim any authority on the topic. I do find it entertaining how thoroughly they are stumbling over this tho. And we still have over a week until the real action.
- Leherenn 3y agoReddit has value no just through it's "new/live" content. Plenty of people search for "$topic Reddit" and fond some old threads with useful information. If the content is deleted, Reddit usefulness goes way down.
- dmix 3y agoSo you’re saying deletions are so wide scale they decided to undelete every comment in the past couple days? And this is the new policy?
- Leherenn 3y agoI have no idea why they decided to do that's or even whether that was on purpose. But I don't think it's impossible, yes.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y agothey appear to be doing something along those lines, the conclusions around how common it is can be left to the reader