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by kaimac 3y ago

Clicking on the title of the kbin post takes you here where there are more comments: https://mstdn.games/@chris/110553477682106144 https://mstdn.games/@chris/110553477682106144 This seems like such an unwise thing for them to do that I feel like there must be another explanation.

notarget137 3y ago
Maybe some database restoring gone wrong?
- dmix 3y ago
  Definitely sounds like some DB issue or other mundane thing. Probably just bad timing with the protestors mass-deleting most likely.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Given that Steve (the CEO) has, now or in the past: * edited the content of user comments without acknowledgment, * threatened to or has removed or installed moderators into communities to circumvent the blackout * threatened to "un-private" communities Why are you so sure that he wouldn't authorize un-deletion of comments?
    - dmix 3y ago
      What business value would it provide?
      - FireBeyond 3y ago
        What business value did editing users comments out from under them? Still happened, though.
        dmix 3y ago
        I’m not sure how that’s relevant to my question. He was drunk and being an idiot, that wasn’t a major management decision like disallowing deletion of comments which affects the entire platform. That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        him editing user comments like he did was also unprecedented, maybe he's just vindictive and belligerent and irrational his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility
        TX81Z 3y ago
        I think the point being made is that somebody who would get drunk and edit comments on a forum they control is the LAST person who should run a forum of any sort. Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?
        FireBeyond 3y ago
        "Just drunken modin'!" "Just drunken CEOin'!"
        TX81Z 3y ago
        He’s like Rick Sanchez, but instead of a drunk genius he’s just a drunk moron.
        snarfy 3y ago
        > That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?
      - Leherenn 3y ago
        Reddit has value no just through it's "new/live" content. Plenty of people search for "$topic Reddit" and fond some old threads with useful information. If the content is deleted, Reddit usefulness goes way down.
        dmix 3y ago
        So you’re saying deletions are so wide scale they decided to undelete every comment in the past couple days? And this is the new policy?
        Leherenn 3y ago
        I have no idea why they decided to do that's or even whether that was on purpose. But I don't think it's impossible, yes.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        they appear to be doing something along those lines, the conclusions around how common it is can be left to the reader
- goykasi 3y ago
  Could be an issue with too many tombstones in their Cassandra cluster. If there is an increase in deleted data (very possible given the blackout), the cluster could be having some issues. No doubt they have regularly, scheduled repairs on their tables, but those are not fast operations on huge clusters. I hope its that and not something more dubious.
buro9 3y ago
This is definitely unwise. I run forums and have done for +20y. Reddit may have a user agreement that allows them to use the data forever, but historical versions that were not visible (effectively soft-deleted on edit) puts this into a risk area as it removes the ability for someone to control the data thus transferring ownership far more explicitly to Reddit. Reddit should be very cautious here... you only get a lot of protections (EU eCommerce Act, etc) but being mere conduit. Arguably volunteer moderators took on a lot of the liability by their act of moderating, and Reddit were able to distance themselves from a lot of the content on the platform. But once Reddit go intervening in the content, choosing to make some old revisions public, they're now taking editorial decisions that strip them of a lot of the things that protect them. This is an incredibly naive move in the big picture.
- hedora 3y ago
  They already apparently provided a 2TB data dump of everything up to march of this year. That's shockingly small. Like, can we just build some retro love-child of unison and NNTP, and just keep a copy of all the news groups on our laptops / the ones we care about on our phones? Anyway, from a liability perspective, undeleting stuff older than that seems to be a moot point.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  GDPR request to request your data and then one to delete all data about you. If they don’t comply, they’ll get fined, and I have the feeling it will not be a small one given how they handle things
  - Meph504 3y ago
    I think Reddit, like most U.S. web based companies aren't overly concerned with GDPR in many situations, and they are focused on what looks best for their IPO.
    - alexvoda 3y ago
      Doesn't matter. They operate in the EU therefore they can still be fined. They can of course decide block access from EU countries.
hgsgm 3y ago
[flagged]
- samstave 3y ago
  He was literally just on NPR defending his position. Stated that there has been no impact to the business and that paying "tens of millions a year on infra to support third party apps is not sustainable" but that he wont be changing any policy changes because they need to find a sustainable balance on the UGC ad model.
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    I don't think anything he says to anybody right now is all that credible.
dspillett 3y ago
> another explanation Could be an intentional small-scale data rollback that has accidentally had far wider effect. Or some “eventually consistent” anomaly where nodes that never saw the changes/deletes have reasserted the version of reality they still see. But back to the previous hand… > seems like such an unwise thing for them to do Doing unwise things then doubling down on them seems to be Reddit's MO at the moment, and that has been the case for a while so each re-doubling currently means a notable jump in unwiseness, so I'm not surprised enough by any given apparent iffy decision that I reach for other explanations by default.

by kaimac 3y ago

notarget137 3y ago

Maybe some database restoring gone wrong?

dmix 3y ago
Definitely sounds like some DB issue or other mundane thing. Probably just bad timing with the protestors mass-deleting most likely.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Given that Steve (the CEO) has, now or in the past: * edited the content of user comments without acknowledgment, * threatened to or has removed or installed moderators into communities to circumvent the blackout * threatened to "un-private" communities Why are you so sure that he wouldn't authorize un-deletion of comments?
  - dmix 3y ago
    What business value would it provide?
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      What business value did editing users comments out from under them? Still happened, though.
      - dmix 3y ago
        I’m not sure how that’s relevant to my question. He was drunk and being an idiot, that wasn’t a major management decision like disallowing deletion of comments which affects the entire platform. That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year. This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        him editing user comments like he did was also unprecedented, maybe he's just vindictive and belligerent and irrational his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility
        TX81Z 3y ago
        I think the point being made is that somebody who would get drunk and edit comments on a forum they control is the LAST person who should run a forum of any sort. Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?
        FireBeyond 3y ago
        "Just drunken modin'!" "Just drunken CEOin'!"
        TX81Z 3y ago
        He’s like Rick Sanchez, but instead of a drunk genius he’s just a drunk moron.
        snarfy 3y ago
        > That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?
    - Leherenn 3y ago
      Reddit has value no just through it's "new/live" content. Plenty of people search for "$topic Reddit" and fond some old threads with useful information. If the content is deleted, Reddit usefulness goes way down.
      - dmix 3y ago
        So you’re saying deletions are so wide scale they decided to undelete every comment in the past couple days? And this is the new policy?
        Leherenn 3y ago
        I have no idea why they decided to do that's or even whether that was on purpose. But I don't think it's impossible, yes.
        ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
        they appear to be doing something along those lines, the conclusions around how common it is can be left to the reader
goykasi 3y ago
Could be an issue with too many tombstones in their Cassandra cluster. If there is an increase in deleted data (very possible given the blackout), the cluster could be having some issues. No doubt they have regularly, scheduled repairs on their tables, but those are not fast operations on huge clusters. I hope its that and not something more dubious.

buro9 3y ago

This is definitely unwise. I run forums and have done for +20y. Reddit may have a user agreement that allows them to use the data forever, but historical versions that were not visible (effectively soft-deleted on edit) puts this into a risk area as it removes the ability for someone to control the data thus transferring ownership far more explicitly to Reddit. Reddit should be very cautious here... you only get a lot of protections (EU eCommerce Act, etc) but being mere conduit. Arguably volunteer moderators took on a lot of the liability by their act of moderating, and Reddit were able to distance themselves from a lot of the content on the platform. But once Reddit go intervening in the content, choosing to make some old revisions public, they're now taking editorial decisions that strip them of a lot of the things that protect them. This is an incredibly naive move in the big picture.

hedora 3y ago
They already apparently provided a 2TB data dump of everything up to march of this year. That's shockingly small. Like, can we just build some retro love-child of unison and NNTP, and just keep a copy of all the news groups on our laptops / the ones we care about on our phones? Anyway, from a liability perspective, undeleting stuff older than that seems to be a moot point.
jbverschoor 3y ago
GDPR request to request your data and then one to delete all data about you. If they don’t comply, they’ll get fined, and I have the feeling it will not be a small one given how they handle things
- Meph504 3y ago
  I think Reddit, like most U.S. web based companies aren't overly concerned with GDPR in many situations, and they are focused on what looks best for their IPO.
  - alexvoda 3y ago
    Doesn't matter. They operate in the EU therefore they can still be fined. They can of course decide block access from EU countries.

hgsgm 3y ago

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samstave 3y ago
He was literally just on NPR defending his position. Stated that there has been no impact to the business and that paying "tens of millions a year on infra to support third party apps is not sustainable" but that he wont be changing any policy changes because they need to find a sustainable balance on the UGC ad model.
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  I don't think anything he says to anybody right now is all that credible.

dspillett 3y ago

> another explanation Could be an intentional small-scale data rollback that has accidentally had far wider effect. Or some “eventually consistent” anomaly where nodes that never saw the changes/deletes have reasserted the version of reality they still see. But back to the previous hand… > seems like such an unwise thing for them to do Doing unwise things then doubling down on them seems to be Reddit's MO at the moment, and that has been the case for a while so each re-doubling currently means a notable jump in unwiseness, so I'm not surprised enough by any given apparent iffy decision that I reach for other explanations by default.