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If this is true, why are you not moving into "DevOps" roles as well?

adammarples 3y ago
Because who wants to be a yaml engineer
JohnMakin 3y ago
It is true. People hire astoundingly incompetent devops all the time. I’ve seen it throughout my career. An issue is most hiring managers and CTO’s also don’t have a devops background, so it’s trivially easy for people to get into situations where they can BS some buzzwords and googled regurgitated definitions like CI/CD and it’s like “welp you know what you’re talking about.” It’s highly compensated because it’s very needed. A low low % of operations engineers are as good as they need to be. It’s not even always the organization’s or the engineers’ fault, either, as the author of this blog alludes to.
kachnuv_ocasek 3y ago
Because no amount of money can compensate for the soul-sucking pain of being a YAML engineer.
tirpen 3y ago
Do you base all your decisions about life on a pure money maximizing algorithm? Picking a horrible position just because of a better salary is a great way to live an unhappy life.
- mm007emko 3y ago
  I have a shit job (Python DevOps in tel. co. industry). No problem with that. Previous job was in applied research. Very interesting, unfortunately the work conditions and compensation were much worse than my present-day shitshow. Life is not only about work, I have to work to be able to pay my mortgage and to enjoy other activities. Having happy or unhappy life, for people in the IT industry, is mostly about their mindset.
  - Detrytus 3y ago
    If that lifestyle suits you, sure, go for it. However, by staying in a shit job you are throwing half of your waking hours away. I know this is not an option for everyone, but if one can make enough money from the thing that one enjoy that's like getting half of your life back.
awesomeMilou 3y ago
Because the work conditions outside FAANG are garbage, no one that has any regard for their own well-being would get into it. So far everyone I have met that works in infra was in horrible shape, often from stress-related eating disorders and lack of physical exercise.
- ThalesX 3y ago
  My friend works outside of FAANG, in Europe, and the DevOps department is super chill.
ThalesX 3y ago
This question is strange honestly... Because I have a career in software development and I really enjoy doing it? If I wouldn't be in this situation, maybe I would consider doing the switch based on what I've seen.

Because who wants to be a yaml engineer

It is true. People hire astoundingly incompetent devops all the time. I’ve seen it throughout my career. An issue is most hiring managers and CTO’s also don’t have a devops background, so it’s trivially easy for people to get into situations where they can BS some buzzwords and googled regurgitated definitions like CI/CD and it’s like “welp you know what you’re talking about.” It’s highly compensated because it’s very needed. A low low % of operations engineers are as good as they need to be. It’s not even always the organization’s or the engineers’ fault, either, as the author of this blog alludes to.

kachnuv_ocasek 3y ago

Because no amount of money can compensate for the soul-sucking pain of being a YAML engineer.

tirpen 3y ago

Do you base all your decisions about life on a pure money maximizing algorithm? Picking a horrible position just because of a better salary is a great way to live an unhappy life.

mm007emko 3y ago
I have a shit job (Python DevOps in tel. co. industry). No problem with that. Previous job was in applied research. Very interesting, unfortunately the work conditions and compensation were much worse than my present-day shitshow. Life is not only about work, I have to work to be able to pay my mortgage and to enjoy other activities. Having happy or unhappy life, for people in the IT industry, is mostly about their mindset.
- Detrytus 3y ago
  If that lifestyle suits you, sure, go for it. However, by staying in a shit job you are throwing half of your waking hours away. I know this is not an option for everyone, but if one can make enough money from the thing that one enjoy that's like getting half of your life back.

awesomeMilou 3y ago

Because the work conditions outside FAANG are garbage, no one that has any regard for their own well-being would get into it. So far everyone I have met that works in infra was in horrible shape, often from stress-related eating disorders and lack of physical exercise.

ThalesX 3y ago
My friend works outside of FAANG, in Europe, and the DevOps department is super chill.

ThalesX 3y ago

This question is strange honestly... Because I have a career in software development and I really enjoy doing it? If I wouldn't be in this situation, maybe I would consider doing the switch based on what I've seen.