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To clarify : The US is more egalitarian and hierarchical ?

tormeh 3y ago
I think it’s more about attitudes to specialization and credentialism. People with tech degrees are supposed to do tech. People with business degrees are supposed to do business. A common scenario when a self-taught executive-level manager moves from an anglo country to a germanic one is that employers ask “where is your business degree?”. And this works both ways. Germanic tech employees tend to not value sales/business, and view the money people as a necessary evil that have no idea what they’re doing. This is of course a self-reinforcing cycle. And there’s nothing bad about specialization, really, but interdisciplinary people have their place as well. As for credentialism, I think it’s slightly better than its reputation on this site, but it shouldn’t be applied too strictly.
- dopidopHN 3y ago
  Ah ok. That make more sense. I find the US distribution of wealth vastly more inégal than Europe but that was not your point, sorry. Absolutely, a diploma is needed and self starters are view with skepticism. France is extreme with that for instance. Banks will lend you money to starts a specific business only if you have a related diploma ( hair dresser, butcher, boulanger … ) I mean; they won’t flat out refuse if you dont. But passing thought those trade schools will open doors. I was just talking it with a friend very qualified in education in both the US and France. He’s a certify teacher with experience in both countries. He’s starting a business of teaching music exclusively. He has like 8 years of relevant experiences doing that. France is still asking him to do a 2 years training if he want to access the government contracts of public schools. And that’s in a context of teacher scarcity. Silver lining, the training will cost like $1000/year but that borderline insulting to have him do that and I find the 2 years timeline insane. So, yeah, long story short crendentism indeed. I think it was coming from a good place originally. But at this point it’s silly.

I think it’s more about attitudes to specialization and credentialism. People with tech degrees are supposed to do tech. People with business degrees are supposed to do business. A common scenario when a self-taught executive-level manager moves from an anglo country to a germanic one is that employers ask “where is your business degree?”. And this works both ways. Germanic tech employees tend to not value sales/business, and view the money people as a necessary evil that have no idea what they’re doing. This is of course a self-reinforcing cycle. And there’s nothing bad about specialization, really, but interdisciplinary people have their place as well. As for credentialism, I think it’s slightly better than its reputation on this site, but it shouldn’t be applied too strictly.

dopidopHN 3y ago
Ah ok. That make more sense. I find the US distribution of wealth vastly more inégal than Europe but that was not your point, sorry. Absolutely, a diploma is needed and self starters are view with skepticism. France is extreme with that for instance. Banks will lend you money to starts a specific business only if you have a related diploma ( hair dresser, butcher, boulanger … ) I mean; they won’t flat out refuse if you dont. But passing thought those trade schools will open doors. I was just talking it with a friend very qualified in education in both the US and France. He’s a certify teacher with experience in both countries. He’s starting a business of teaching music exclusively. He has like 8 years of relevant experiences doing that. France is still asking him to do a 2 years training if he want to access the government contracts of public schools. And that’s in a context of teacher scarcity. Silver lining, the training will cost like $1000/year but that borderline insulting to have him do that and I find the 2 years timeline insane. So, yeah, long story short crendentism indeed. I think it was coming from a good place originally. But at this point it’s silly.