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Uh... they're both from the UN. You can disagree with who the UN chooses but having representatives from countries and industries which are absolutely crucial

Uh... they're both from the UN. You can disagree with who the UN chooses but having representatives from countries and industries which are absolutely crucial for humanity's functioning seems like a good idea.

ftxbro 3y ago
> "Uh... they're both from the UN." 'the UN guy' is the secretary-general of the United Nations, the chief administrative officer of the United Nations. 'the fuel industry guy' is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber and he is described as "the Minister of Industry and Advanced Technology of the United Arab Emirates, managing director and group CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (ADNOC Group), chairman of Masdar (the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company), and the United Arab Emirates' special envoy for climate change. He is the President-Designate of the upcoming COP28 climate talks." > "You can disagree with who the UN chooses" OK but I wasn't doing that. Such defensiveness did catch my interest though, and I see there is a whole section on his wiki page including "A further Guardian investigation revealed in June 2023 that a large number of fake Twitter and Medium accounts, using stock or AI-generated profile images, have been either promoting and defending the hosting of the UN climate summit by the United Arab Emirates, including reposting UAE government tweets and trying to rebut criticism of Al Jaber's presidency."
- SamPatt 3y ago
  >He is the President-Designate of the upcoming COP28 climate talks Which is an UN body. It's funny that instead of admitting that the UN chief made a troubling statement, you're blaming a third party (who was appointed by the UN to lead a climate summit) and then invoking conspiratorial thinking when anyone points out this out. Dissenting opinions online aren't all fake. The idea that fossil fuels are a problem, period, is stupid, and it's troubling that someone with political power believes it, and espouses it.
  - ftxbro 3y ago
    > "It's funny that instead of admitting that the UN chief made a troubling statement, you're blaming a third party" Oh I fully admit that the UN chief made a troubling statement. I found the statement very troubling, which is why I looked into it and it's why we are having this charming online discussion. What I found was that the UN chief was successfully rhetorically baited by the oil industry executive who is scheduled to lead the 2023 UN Climate Change Conference, and the AP wrote the headline like the UN chief just woke up in the morning with the plan to lie to the press about climate change. It's not like I don't blame the UN chief. I wish the UN chief was not so easily baited. It seems like that should be one of the job requirements for being UN chief. > "The idea that fossil fuels are a problem, period, is stupid, and it's troubling that someone with political power believes it." According to that article what he said was: “The problem is not simply fossil fuel emissions,” Guterres said, a nod to recent comments made by Sultan al-Jaber, the United Arab Emirates official who will lead the next U.N. climate summit. “It’s fossil fuels - period.” It was taken from the context of a rhetorical engagement with someone who was trolling him, and the AP reported it uncritically. The oil ceo said something like 'fossil fuels aren't a problem, only burning them and not capturing all of their emissions is a problem :trollface:' and then in response the UN chief said "It's fossil fuels - period." because they both knew that the extracted fossil fuels would be burned and their emissions would not be fully captured.

ftxbro 3y ago

> "Uh... they're both from the UN." 'the UN guy' is the secretary-general of the United Nations, the chief administrative officer of the United Nations. 'the fuel industry guy' is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Al_Jaber and he is described as "the Minister of Industry and Advanced Technology of the United Arab Emirates, managing director and group CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (ADNOC Group), chairman of Masdar (the Abu Dhabi Future Energy Company), and the United Arab Emirates' special envoy for climate change. He is the President-Designate of the upcoming COP28 climate talks." > "You can disagree with who the UN chooses" OK but I wasn't doing that. Such defensiveness did catch my interest though, and I see there is a whole section on his wiki page including "A further Guardian investigation revealed in June 2023 that a large number of fake Twitter and Medium accounts, using stock or AI-generated profile images, have been either promoting and defending the hosting of the UN climate summit by the United Arab Emirates, including reposting UAE government tweets and trying to rebut criticism of Al Jaber's presidency."

SamPatt 3y ago
>He is the President-Designate of the upcoming COP28 climate talks Which is an UN body. It's funny that instead of admitting that the UN chief made a troubling statement, you're blaming a third party (who was appointed by the UN to lead a climate summit) and then invoking conspiratorial thinking when anyone points out this out. Dissenting opinions online aren't all fake. The idea that fossil fuels are a problem, period, is stupid, and it's troubling that someone with political power believes it, and espouses it.
- ftxbro 3y ago
  > "It's funny that instead of admitting that the UN chief made a troubling statement, you're blaming a third party" Oh I fully admit that the UN chief made a troubling statement. I found the statement very troubling, which is why I looked into it and it's why we are having this charming online discussion. What I found was that the UN chief was successfully rhetorically baited by the oil industry executive who is scheduled to lead the 2023 UN Climate Change Conference, and the AP wrote the headline like the UN chief just woke up in the morning with the plan to lie to the press about climate change. It's not like I don't blame the UN chief. I wish the UN chief was not so easily baited. It seems like that should be one of the job requirements for being UN chief. > "The idea that fossil fuels are a problem, period, is stupid, and it's troubling that someone with political power believes it." According to that article what he said was: “The problem is not simply fossil fuel emissions,” Guterres said, a nod to recent comments made by Sultan al-Jaber, the United Arab Emirates official who will lead the next U.N. climate summit. “It’s fossil fuels - period.” It was taken from the context of a rhetorical engagement with someone who was trolling him, and the AP reported it uncritically. The oil ceo said something like 'fossil fuels aren't a problem, only burning them and not capturing all of their emissions is a problem :trollface:' and then in response the UN chief said "It's fossil fuels - period." because they both knew that the extracted fossil fuels would be burned and their emissions would not be fully captured.