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"Core" user base != tyranny of the majority. Alienating a huge amount of clearly passionate reddit users in favour of Joe schmoe browsing on the train home soun

"Core" user base != tyranny of the majority. Alienating a huge amount of clearly passionate reddit users in favour of Joe schmoe browsing on the train home sounds like a dangerous decision - reddit sti needs all those people who provide the content people browse for, etc. In any case, at this point the bigger issue for a lot of people is just the total disrespect reddit has publicly announced, repeatedly, towards its users. That some people don't care about this disrespect doesn't make it nonpresent.

nkuttler 3y ago
> reddit sti needs all those people who provide the content people browse for, etc Seems like they are betting their future on commercial content producers. If you're on /r/all a lot of the content is already reposts, disguised corporate posts, professional reshufflers and karma hoarders, etc.
marginalia_nu 3y ago
I think it's also worth noting that the actual contributing members on message boards is a tiny minority[1][2][3]. Activity appears to follow a Pareto distribution. The members that not only contribute, but regularly contribute quality content is a minority within that minority. The vast majority is scrolling and blowing air out their nose, maybe voting, maybe very occasionally leaving a comment. From a monetization sense, it may look tempting to focus on retaining that passive minority, but what risks happening is a dead sea effect where it enters a cycle of contributors leaving because contributions are deteriorating in quality. That can be nearly impossible to reverse. [1] https://jennchen.com/blog/business/were-all-lurkers/ https://jennchen.com/blog/business/were-all-lurkers/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222436334_The_Top_Five_Reasons_for_Lurking_Improving_Community_Experiences_for_Everyone https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222436334_The_Top_F... [3] https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000129213/101128289 https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000129213/10112828...
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  Yes of course. And that tiny minority of course shares your preferences about UI design.
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    That minority makes the different demands on UI, since they use the site in a different way from the passive users. Case in point, if you're rarely ever contributing it doesn't really even matter if the entire website crashes when you paste into the rich text editor so you lose everything you've written. Which I guess is why this bug is still not properly fixed on all browsers after being broken as hell for 4 years, including for long times on Chrome(?!) [1] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/search/?q=paste&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/search/?q=paste&restrict_sr=1
    - badwolf 3y ago
      I think this is one of the big reasons TikTok has a completely separate app for creators (CapCut) It allows them to continue to add creation features and a creators experience, without bogging down the main app consumers are using to mindlessly scroll while pooping.
    - terribleperson 3y ago
      Wait, is that why that awful editor locks up on me? Pasting? I always just give up on using it after it locks up and hadn't done it enough times to make the connection.
- badwolf 3y ago
  Perhaps this is also one of the reasons Reddit doesn't take action against spammers and repost bots that take popular posts and comments from <time> ago and report them verbatim later and get thousands and thousands of upvotes. Nice way to fake content creation long enough to shove your IPO out the door and exit before the house of cards starts falling apart.
- gigel82 3y ago
  Let's hope so :) I now actively want Reddit to blow up.
paulmd 3y ago
Ah yes, all redditors are equal, but some are more equal than others. Content contributors just matter more. And if joe schmoe browsing the subreddit wants to vote in favor of the blackout, you're naturally gonna count that as a vote of support, even though they're not a content contributor, right?
- HappMacDonald 3y ago
  Why, how would you count it? Because either they matter, in which case they support the blackout more than they do not as the votes have overwhelmingly demonstrated, or if you think they don't then who is left to pin the "most people like things the way they are" claim onto?

nkuttler 3y ago

> reddit sti needs all those people who provide the content people browse for, etc Seems like they are betting their future on commercial content producers. If you're on /r/all a lot of the content is already reposts, disguised corporate posts, professional reshufflers and karma hoarders, etc.

marginalia_nu 3y ago

I think it's also worth noting that the actual contributing members on message boards is a tiny minority[1][2][3]. Activity appears to follow a Pareto distribution. The members that not only contribute, but regularly contribute quality content is a minority within that minority. The vast majority is scrolling and blowing air out their nose, maybe voting, maybe very occasionally leaving a comment. From a monetization sense, it may look tempting to focus on retaining that passive minority, but what risks happening is a dead sea effect where it enters a cycle of contributors leaving because contributions are deteriorating in quality. That can be nearly impossible to reverse. [1] https://jennchen.com/blog/business/were-all-lurkers/ https://jennchen.com/blog/business/were-all-lurkers/ [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222436334_The_Top_Five_Reasons_for_Lurking_Improving_Community_Experiences_for_Everyone https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222436334_The_Top_F... [3] https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000129213/101128289 https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000129213/10112828...

amadeuspagel 3y ago
Yes of course. And that tiny minority of course shares your preferences about UI design.
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  That minority makes the different demands on UI, since they use the site in a different way from the passive users. Case in point, if you're rarely ever contributing it doesn't really even matter if the entire website crashes when you paste into the rich text editor so you lose everything you've written. Which I guess is why this bug is still not properly fixed on all browsers after being broken as hell for 4 years, including for long times on Chrome(?!) [1] [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/search/?q=paste&restrict_sr=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/bugs/search/?q=paste&restrict_sr=1
  - badwolf 3y ago
    I think this is one of the big reasons TikTok has a completely separate app for creators (CapCut) It allows them to continue to add creation features and a creators experience, without bogging down the main app consumers are using to mindlessly scroll while pooping.
  - terribleperson 3y ago
    Wait, is that why that awful editor locks up on me? Pasting? I always just give up on using it after it locks up and hadn't done it enough times to make the connection.
badwolf 3y ago
Perhaps this is also one of the reasons Reddit doesn't take action against spammers and repost bots that take popular posts and comments from <time> ago and report them verbatim later and get thousands and thousands of upvotes. Nice way to fake content creation long enough to shove your IPO out the door and exit before the house of cards starts falling apart.
gigel82 3y ago
Let's hope so :) I now actively want Reddit to blow up.

paulmd 3y ago

Ah yes, all redditors are equal, but some are more equal than others. Content contributors just matter more. And if joe schmoe browsing the subreddit wants to vote in favor of the blackout, you're naturally gonna count that as a vote of support, even though they're not a content contributor, right?

HappMacDonald 3y ago
Why, how would you count it? Because either they matter, in which case they support the blackout more than they do not as the votes have overwhelmingly demonstrated, or if you think they don't then who is left to pin the "most people like things the way they are" claim onto?