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We’re over a decade into having smart phones. At this point, you’re going to have to weigh up what your priorities are and get the phone that does what you want

We’re over a decade into having smart phones. At this point, you’re going to have to weigh up what your priorities are and get the phone that does what you want. Not argue on the internet about the way things should be.

wiseowise 3y ago
I did and I will. Don’t make it sound that Android is “iOS without walled garden”. I want ecosystem without bloat, that doesn’t spy on me and where I’m not the product that’s not the state of Android at the moment (unless you’re willing to bother with custom ROMs). I’ve paid 1,5k for this thing and have every right to complain.
- 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
  You are correct, you have the right to complain. But the companies involved show no signs of changing, and you keep handing them money and your complaints are toothless. And you won’t support a project that is more aligned with your goals.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    > But the companies involved show no signs of changing, and you keep handing them money and your complaints are toothless. Are they? EU will force iOS into getting sideloading, like they forced them into adapting USB-C.
- fsflover 3y ago
  > I’ve paid 1,5k for this thing and have every right to complain I agree that removing freedoms from the users is unethical and counterproductive. But at this point the only reasonable action is to give money to companies intentionally respecting your freedom. Sent from my Librem 5.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Disagree, what incentive does Apple have to listen for feedback from people who are not even in their ecosystem? Our household is pretty much Apple exclusively.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      Apple has no incentive to listen to anything at all at this point. The only reasonable action is to give money to those who do, i.e., support good alternatives.
- Sevastopol 3y ago
  Why not simply avoid buying an iPhone in the first place?
anonzzzies 3y ago
I want a phone that is as fast as a flagship phone like an iPhone, with a keyboard, daylong or better battery life running fullblown Debian. What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. Nor can I put Debian on most flagship phones; takes time for them to get rooted if they ever do. And then they don’t support half of the hardware. So best option is Android. Or anything, including iOS, with vnc. Now that 5g is everywhere here and I have fiber to my house, I opt for VNC; ideal, it is not.
- krger 3y ago
  >I want a phone that is as fast as a flagship phone like an iPhone, with a keyboard, daylong or better battery life running fullblown Debian. What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. Have you ever paused to consider why your mobile unicorn doesn't exist?
  - anonzzzies 3y ago
    Sure, but the GP said that I can get the phone I want/need nowadays. I can't. Not even close. Maybe the astro-slide, let's see.
- 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
  > What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. I’m not sure this is an argument. You’ll find that virtually everything you buy does not meet your exact specifications. If you are not filthy rich your home will not be to your exact specifications, your furniture, your clothes, your car, your luggage, your kitchen. What most people do is work out what they can afford, prioritise features, and try to buy they can afford and maximises the features they want the most. Maybe they decide, it’s not worth it and get nothing at all. Same thing with your phone, you may be forced to buy something, but you can get the minimum thing to get by. Maybe you are a rich tech worker and you can run a separate phone that aligns best with your needs and wants. What will 100% not get you what you want, is complaining, giving the company you don’t like $1500, and then giving the company that might one day live up to your dreams $0.
- UncleSlacky 3y ago
  This might come close: https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide
TheRealPomax 3y ago
Oh dear, heaven forbid we keep wanting features that should have been there from day one after the ten year cutoff! Good thing you reminded us of that expiration date.

wiseowise 3y ago

I did and I will. Don’t make it sound that Android is “iOS without walled garden”. I want ecosystem without bloat, that doesn’t spy on me and where I’m not the product that’s not the state of Android at the moment (unless you’re willing to bother with custom ROMs). I’ve paid 1,5k for this thing and have every right to complain.

2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
You are correct, you have the right to complain. But the companies involved show no signs of changing, and you keep handing them money and your complaints are toothless. And you won’t support a project that is more aligned with your goals.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  > But the companies involved show no signs of changing, and you keep handing them money and your complaints are toothless. Are they? EU will force iOS into getting sideloading, like they forced them into adapting USB-C.
fsflover 3y ago
> I’ve paid 1,5k for this thing and have every right to complain I agree that removing freedoms from the users is unethical and counterproductive. But at this point the only reasonable action is to give money to companies intentionally respecting your freedom. Sent from my Librem 5.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Disagree, what incentive does Apple have to listen for feedback from people who are not even in their ecosystem? Our household is pretty much Apple exclusively.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    Apple has no incentive to listen to anything at all at this point. The only reasonable action is to give money to those who do, i.e., support good alternatives.
Sevastopol 3y ago
Why not simply avoid buying an iPhone in the first place?

anonzzzies 3y ago

I want a phone that is as fast as a flagship phone like an iPhone, with a keyboard, daylong or better battery life running fullblown Debian. What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. Nor can I put Debian on most flagship phones; takes time for them to get rooted if they ever do. And then they don’t support half of the hardware. So best option is Android. Or anything, including iOS, with vnc. Now that 5g is everywhere here and I have fiber to my house, I opt for VNC; ideal, it is not.

krger 3y ago
>I want a phone that is as fast as a flagship phone like an iPhone, with a keyboard, daylong or better battery life running fullblown Debian. What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. Have you ever paused to consider why your mobile unicorn doesn't exist?
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  Sure, but the GP said that I can get the phone I want/need nowadays. I can't. Not even close. Maybe the astro-slide, let's see.
2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
> What shall I buy? It doesn’t exist. I’m not sure this is an argument. You’ll find that virtually everything you buy does not meet your exact specifications. If you are not filthy rich your home will not be to your exact specifications, your furniture, your clothes, your car, your luggage, your kitchen. What most people do is work out what they can afford, prioritise features, and try to buy they can afford and maximises the features they want the most. Maybe they decide, it’s not worth it and get nothing at all. Same thing with your phone, you may be forced to buy something, but you can get the minimum thing to get by. Maybe you are a rich tech worker and you can run a separate phone that aligns best with your needs and wants. What will 100% not get you what you want, is complaining, giving the company you don’t like $1500, and then giving the company that might one day live up to your dreams $0.
UncleSlacky 3y ago
This might come close: https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide

TheRealPomax 3y ago

Oh dear, heaven forbid we keep wanting features that should have been there from day one after the ten year cutoff! Good thing you reminded us of that expiration date.