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> but Mozilla's unceasing obsession with inveigling advertising into the browser is... disturbing. Why? It's Open Source.

activiation 3y ago
Yeah I guess the few people still using it can modify the source code and compile it...
- talonx 3y ago
  Reminds of the days when any complaint about a missing video codec in Linux used to be met with "write and compile your own kernel".
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    So... bearing this in mind, did Linux fail?
    - i_have_an_idea 3y ago
      it did, on the desktop
      - smoldesu 3y ago
        And eggs crack when you drop them from waist height.
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- aerio 3y ago
  That's essentially what Librewolf is. https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
  - activiation 3y ago
    Are they good about staying up to date?
zorrolovsky 3y ago
Because Mozilla misleads users with corporate-speak bs, telling them that they respect their privacy when in reality they have a history of doing anti-user nasty stuff. Today, the public is well aware that G, Meta, Amazon, Apple, etc... spy them and monetize their data to sell ads. So most people using products from those organizations know what to expect. What Mozilla does is worse than FAANG. They release anti-user and spyware features but they have the nerve to preach in their site, docs, UX, etc about how they "lead a revolution to save the web" and "deeply care for user's rights". Perverse and disgusting.
- joao_lopes 3y ago
  Mozilla's tracking is not even in the same ballpark as Microsoft's and Google's. I agree that the hypocrisy is annoying but saying they're worse than FAANG is just wrong.
  - zorrolovsky 3y ago
    I see your point but... not sure if I agree. Here's an example: Mozilla makes Google the default search engine in Firefox for all users. That's FAANG + misinformation + hypocrisy + perversity on my book. Misinformation because you can´t be serious about privacy if your default search engine is Google. Hypocrisy because they position themselves as a privacy-focused product but they still push Google, Pocket, ads and other nasty stuff. Perversity because they emotionally manipulate users to make them feel safe, while at the same time they make them vulnerable to tracking. Today I installed Firefox on my iPhone. When you launch the app, there's a child-like drawing of a smiling woman hugging the FF logo. A heading reads "Welcome to an independent internet". Subheading reads "Firefox puts people over profits and defends your privacy as you browse". Whatever you type on the URL bar connects you to Google. So... because of their defaults any user action will lead such user in exactly the opposite direction of what they were promised a second ago. That's perverse and disturbing. I'm done with Mozilla and Firefox, they need to be exposed and shamed like any other FAANG orgs. I've been wishing and hoping they get things right but this behavior has now been going on for over a decade.
    - 3y ago

activiation 3y ago

Yeah I guess the few people still using it can modify the source code and compile it...

talonx 3y ago
Reminds of the days when any complaint about a missing video codec in Linux used to be met with "write and compile your own kernel".
- smoldesu 3y ago
  So... bearing this in mind, did Linux fail?
  - i_have_an_idea 3y ago
    it did, on the desktop
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      And eggs crack when you drop them from waist height.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
aerio 3y ago
That's essentially what Librewolf is. https://librewolf.net/ https://librewolf.net/
- activiation 3y ago
  Are they good about staying up to date?

zorrolovsky 3y ago

Because Mozilla misleads users with corporate-speak bs, telling them that they respect their privacy when in reality they have a history of doing anti-user nasty stuff. Today, the public is well aware that G, Meta, Amazon, Apple, etc... spy them and monetize their data to sell ads. So most people using products from those organizations know what to expect. What Mozilla does is worse than FAANG. They release anti-user and spyware features but they have the nerve to preach in their site, docs, UX, etc about how they "lead a revolution to save the web" and "deeply care for user's rights". Perverse and disgusting.

joao_lopes 3y ago
Mozilla's tracking is not even in the same ballpark as Microsoft's and Google's. I agree that the hypocrisy is annoying but saying they're worse than FAANG is just wrong.
- zorrolovsky 3y ago
  I see your point but... not sure if I agree. Here's an example: Mozilla makes Google the default search engine in Firefox for all users. That's FAANG + misinformation + hypocrisy + perversity on my book. Misinformation because you can´t be serious about privacy if your default search engine is Google. Hypocrisy because they position themselves as a privacy-focused product but they still push Google, Pocket, ads and other nasty stuff. Perversity because they emotionally manipulate users to make them feel safe, while at the same time they make them vulnerable to tracking. Today I installed Firefox on my iPhone. When you launch the app, there's a child-like drawing of a smiling woman hugging the FF logo. A heading reads "Welcome to an independent internet". Subheading reads "Firefox puts people over profits and defends your privacy as you browse". Whatever you type on the URL bar connects you to Google. So... because of their defaults any user action will lead such user in exactly the opposite direction of what they were promised a second ago. That's perverse and disturbing. I'm done with Mozilla and Firefox, they need to be exposed and shamed like any other FAANG orgs. I've been wishing and hoping they get things right but this behavior has now been going on for over a decade.
  - 3y ago