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Sounds reasonable and looks like 8-0 ruling http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf I wo

by jc123 15y ago

Sounds reasonable and looks like 8-0 ruling http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1259.pdf I wonder what the ruling would be for a case of a search of a trash can that is on the public street: seems it should be allowed without warrant.

dedward 15y ago
Unless we look at the privacy implications. Just because I Dont' want the paper anymore doesn't mean I'm putting it in the public domain..... or does it. If people find my junk useful, they can take it. but if there was some paperwork in there that I probably should have burnt or cross-cut-shred, should privacy laws not provide some kind of protection here? What if I realize the mistake before the truck comes but the feds have already taken my documents? It could be murky, and should be defined. And for the record, I want law enforcement to be able to effectively do their jobs, and for technology to help them, but something that used to be hard and expensive that is now cheap and easy ( gps trackers instead of following people manually) should never be an excuse to abandon the fundamental principles put in place to prevent the abuse of power.
- amirmc 15y ago
  "... something that used to be hard and expensive that is now cheap and easy ... " That seems to sum up all the problems I'm seeing now. It's become so easy/cheap to track people, that the cost of doing so doesn't have to figure as prominently in the decision.
- wtracy 15y ago
  If you dropped paperwork into the trash without shredding it, I would be much more worried about an identity thief taking it than a federal agent. I'm as freaked out as the next person about the U.S. turning into a police state, but feds rummaging through trash bins out on the curb is fairly low on my list of worries.
a_a_r_o_n 15y ago
Why? They're not searching it because it's randomly in the street, they're searching it because you are presumably interesting. If you're that interesting then there should be no problem getting a warrant. The privacy issue here is whether you have the right to avoid specific scrutiny by the government. I think the government should either have to make their case, or GTFO. That's the myth we learned in Civics class anyway. We don't let the government do things merely because they can.

by jc123 15y ago

dedward 15y ago

Unless we look at the privacy implications. Just because I Dont' want the paper anymore doesn't mean I'm putting it in the public domain..... or does it. If people find my junk useful, they can take it. but if there was some paperwork in there that I probably should have burnt or cross-cut-shred, should privacy laws not provide some kind of protection here? What if I realize the mistake before the truck comes but the feds have already taken my documents? It could be murky, and should be defined. And for the record, I want law enforcement to be able to effectively do their jobs, and for technology to help them, but something that used to be hard and expensive that is now cheap and easy ( gps trackers instead of following people manually) should never be an excuse to abandon the fundamental principles put in place to prevent the abuse of power.

amirmc 15y ago
"... something that used to be hard and expensive that is now cheap and easy ... " That seems to sum up all the problems I'm seeing now. It's become so easy/cheap to track people, that the cost of doing so doesn't have to figure as prominently in the decision.
wtracy 15y ago
If you dropped paperwork into the trash without shredding it, I would be much more worried about an identity thief taking it than a federal agent. I'm as freaked out as the next person about the U.S. turning into a police state, but feds rummaging through trash bins out on the curb is fairly low on my list of worries.

a_a_r_o_n 15y ago

Why? They're not searching it because it's randomly in the street, they're searching it because you are presumably interesting. If you're that interesting then there should be no problem getting a warrant. The privacy issue here is whether you have the right to avoid specific scrutiny by the government. I think the government should either have to make their case, or GTFO. That's the myth we learned in Civics class anyway. We don't let the government do things merely because they can.