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Science communication and trying to appropriately communicate risk has a lot of issues, yeah. I don't really blame them because there's been more than two decad
by lucubratory 3y ago
Science communication and trying to appropriately communicate risk has a lot of issues, yeah. I don't really blame them because there's been more than two decades of very obvious failure to get sufficient numbers of people sufficiently politically engaged to change enough to avoid catastrophic outcomes. In general, if you're a relatively high information person, you should probably be looking up the actual reports themselves by organisations like the IPCC.
As to your 1/2/3 scenarios, 1 is basically impossible at this point unless every major country starts extremely rapid decarbonisation, like zero carbon within 15 years sort of thing. We think we are on track for option 2, and with predictable mitigations (countries successfully pull off all pledged reductions) it's still pretty much 2, just potentially less severe. By "less severe", I mean we can try to prevent at least some of that sea level rise which means there will be some cities that become coastal but don't get catastrophically flooded. But like, Miami for example, that city won't exist by the end of the century without a hypothetical and unproven seawall (people always say seawalls, sure it's a decent idea, but we don't know if it's even feasible for us to build them to the necessary standards. It's like asking every coastal city to build something more complex and safety critical than Hoover Dam).
An important thing to think about is that the difference between 1 and 2 is class based. When I said 1 was impossible, I meant that it was impossible for like "most people", because we're on track for billions of people to become refugees because of climate change, likely leading to wars and significant political issues. But obviously if you're wealthy enough, you are basically insulated from those outcomes because you can just keep moving away from the coast (even if millions of other people are trying to move there at the same time) and the only real impact on you is the broader economic impacts on the country you live in, and even those are muted. So for the wealthy, it's always really been a question of "Is it going to be 1 or 3?", which is a big part of the reason why it has been so immensely hard to see significant political change to prevent anthropogenic climate change.
We don't really understand the science of 3 well enough to understand what the tipping points would be to start a runaway greenhouse effect, so no one knows for certain. We need more science on it. I think a very reasonable guess is that it won't happen until our greenhouse gas heat retention is at least as high as it was during the various times in Earth's history when the polar ice caps didn't exist, which gives us significant runway to work with. Beyond that, we just don't know.
- somenameforme 3y agoEngage in a thought experiment with me, if you would. Imagine yourself 20 years in the future. And, somehow, you find that the world is a bit warmer, but things are still pretty much exactly as they've always been. Yet during this time you heard endless proclamations of the world effectively ending if extremely radical change isn't carried out in some window of 5-10 years. How do you think your future self would then further respond to such ongoing predictions? The point the earlier poster is making is that he's making is that this behavior is self defeating, and absolutely should be blamed. The tale of 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' dates back at least 2600 years and has its own version, independently 'discovered', in essentially every culture and language. Resorting to hyperbole for attention is simply self defeating if you care about the long-term, and in this case there is literally nothing except the long-term. And this has been going on for far longer than 2 decades. This article [1] dates back to 1989. It starts with a lede of, "A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000." with only more excitement from there. Incidentally, that page has also been edited to remove the date of publication. You can see an archive of it here [2]. Very classy AP. If I could go back in history to try to make people care about climate change, what I would do is lowball every single prediction to emphasize that when I make a prediction not only does it come true, but it invariably ends up even greater in magnitude than I predicted. Instead of creating a rubber banding effect where you get this huge shoart term gain in attention followed by a slap back in the face, you'd instead see an initially small but ever-growing and consistent movement. [1] - https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 [2] - https://web.archive.org/web/20201101032435/https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 https://web.archive.org/web/20201101032435/https://apnews.co...