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[Citation needed] What bloatware was verizon installing on my Nokia 3390?

worrycue 3y ago
The only thing saving your 3390 from irremovable bloatware is its weak hardware. If bloatware could be install it would be as Nokia like most phone makers will try to curry favour with the carriers to get them to promote their phones. Apple is probably the only phone maker who didn’t do that. They didn’t need to. Heck it was the other way around - carriers wanted to sell iPhones so they can get an edge over / won’t fall behind their competitors. If carriers have a problem with Apple’s refusal of their demands, they could go screw themselves. Their loss.
- retrocryptid 3y ago
  Okay. What bloatware did Verizon put on my Treo? Also. You didn't answer the question. What bloatware did Verizon put on my Nokia 3390?
  - worrycue 3y ago
    I answered your question, they can't put bloatware on your 3390 because its hardware like other phones of that era is too weak to support any.
    - retrocryptid 3y ago
      But your assertion was every phone before the iPhone had bloatware. The Nokia 3390 was a phone. Please tell me what bloatware was on the 3390.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    Back in the day if I wanted a non-stock ringtone, you would have to purchase it through Verizon, it would’ve likely cost $3-5. iTunes was comparatively a lot cheaper, and also basically allowed any arbitrary mp3 to be used as a ringtone. Verizon also used to run their own app stores full of games and low quality music; the fact that it was free or $.99 on Apple’s stores was generally a net price decrease.
    - retrocryptid 3y ago
      But... the assertion was "every phone" before the iPhone was festooned with bloatware and the iPhone was the first phone not to have it. This is nonsense. Downloading ringtones isn't bloatware. Charging users to transfer pictures isn't bloatware. The Nokia 3390 was not burdened with bloatware. Neither was the Treo 180 or the Nokia 9500i. And my G1 didn't have bloatware. It's ridiculous to say the iPhone was the first phone without bloatware. But if your point is Verizon was trying to monetize their customer base after the first sale, then I would heartily agree.
      - bobthepanda 3y ago
        I mean, the software also worked poorly even if you did cough up. And at least the iPhone lets you move default apps off the home screen, out of sight never to be seen again. I never asserted that every phone would have it. I asserted that I buy iPhones specifically because they don’t permit anything like that, and that it would be a fairly obvious target for those shenanigans once sideloading became permitted. US carriers already do dubious things like lock SIMs on phones.
        retrocryptid 3y ago
        I can move bloatware icons off the main screen on android. That's different from uninstalling them. Your assertion was that Apple disallowed carriers from loading up phones with bloatware. So what? So did other phones. That there exist phones with bloatware does not imply that all non-apple phones are festooned with bloatware and all Apple phones are free of bloatware except safari. But if your assertion is to be interpreted as anything else it's a distinction without a difference.

The only thing saving your 3390 from irremovable bloatware is its weak hardware. If bloatware could be install it would be as Nokia like most phone makers will try to curry favour with the carriers to get them to promote their phones. Apple is probably the only phone maker who didn’t do that. They didn’t need to. Heck it was the other way around - carriers wanted to sell iPhones so they can get an edge over / won’t fall behind their competitors. If carriers have a problem with Apple’s refusal of their demands, they could go screw themselves. Their loss.

retrocryptid 3y ago
Okay. What bloatware did Verizon put on my Treo? Also. You didn't answer the question. What bloatware did Verizon put on my Nokia 3390?
- worrycue 3y ago
  I answered your question, they can't put bloatware on your 3390 because its hardware like other phones of that era is too weak to support any.
  - retrocryptid 3y ago
    But your assertion was every phone before the iPhone had bloatware. The Nokia 3390 was a phone. Please tell me what bloatware was on the 3390.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  Back in the day if I wanted a non-stock ringtone, you would have to purchase it through Verizon, it would’ve likely cost $3-5. iTunes was comparatively a lot cheaper, and also basically allowed any arbitrary mp3 to be used as a ringtone. Verizon also used to run their own app stores full of games and low quality music; the fact that it was free or $.99 on Apple’s stores was generally a net price decrease.
  - retrocryptid 3y ago
    But... the assertion was "every phone" before the iPhone was festooned with bloatware and the iPhone was the first phone not to have it. This is nonsense. Downloading ringtones isn't bloatware. Charging users to transfer pictures isn't bloatware. The Nokia 3390 was not burdened with bloatware. Neither was the Treo 180 or the Nokia 9500i. And my G1 didn't have bloatware. It's ridiculous to say the iPhone was the first phone without bloatware. But if your point is Verizon was trying to monetize their customer base after the first sale, then I would heartily agree.
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      I mean, the software also worked poorly even if you did cough up. And at least the iPhone lets you move default apps off the home screen, out of sight never to be seen again. I never asserted that every phone would have it. I asserted that I buy iPhones specifically because they don’t permit anything like that, and that it would be a fairly obvious target for those shenanigans once sideloading became permitted. US carriers already do dubious things like lock SIMs on phones.
      - retrocryptid 3y ago
        I can move bloatware icons off the main screen on android. That's different from uninstalling them. Your assertion was that Apple disallowed carriers from loading up phones with bloatware. So what? So did other phones. That there exist phones with bloatware does not imply that all non-apple phones are festooned with bloatware and all Apple phones are free of bloatware except safari. But if your assertion is to be interpreted as anything else it's a distinction without a difference.