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M&S hawks Israeli produce: http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and-spencer http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and...

by ucee054 15y ago

M&S hawks Israeli produce: http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and-spencer http://www.boycott-israel.co.uk/business-links/133-marks-and... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_%26_Spencer#cite_note-53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_%26_Spencer#cite_note-53 Unfortunately I can't refer you to a comprehensive information source on companies supporting Israel, but you might find more information by googling for "jews for boycotting israeli goods" or "boycott divestment sanctions" I did find references to several other companies at http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel-2012.php http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel-2012.php

berntb 15y ago
Sigh... I flagged the article. Please keep stories like this off HN, it is bad enough with the language wars people. (I follow the Middle East conflict a bit, because it is informative to compare my Swedish media with BBC/NY Times. News items such as Pallywood or torture between Palestinian groups are literally censored.) The basic reason I started to care a bit is because I find it depressing when people hate and demonize a whole democracy with very heterogeneous political life. Especially if said people never criticise neither rocket artillery against cities nor the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.) I have also never seen any criticism from these people of the Arab world's way of destroying the Palestinian refugees' lives, by refusing to integrate them. This is arguably worse than anything Israel has done, even in your description of Israel. And to start talking about organised Jewish propaganda controlling a country's media is straight up disgusting. It smacks of the muslim world's copying of traditional anti semitic hate propaganda. Then we have the muslim world's support of the mass murders in south Sudan, which in number of dead etc must be a thousand times worse than even your description of Israel. Talk about astronomical double standards for different groups... I could continue for a while, but this won't change your opinions. You "know" that it is OK to ignore racist hate propaganda etc etc, since it is done against the evil ones.
- joska 15y ago
  But who can be against sollar power for hatefull terrorist? Shouldn't terrorist also safe the planet?
- Andrew_Quentin 15y ago
  How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world? The article is about Israel and Palestine - nothing to do with the Muslim world.
  - berntb 15y ago
    >>How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world? I answered what uce0054 wrote about in the comment tree above, mainly demonizing and double standards. Edit: If you don't really think it is relevant that the main critics of Israel mistreat the Palestinians much more than Israel, it is funny... but not surprising. I've never seen that from an Israel-critic.
- ucee054 15y ago
  You insinuated that my discussion of Hasbara means that I am some kind of "disgusting" Nazi referencing "traditional anti semitic hate propaganda", when I was linking to the Israeli Citizens Information Council's own website. You may find it "depressing when people hate", well I find it depressing when people can't answer my points and so have to resort to declaring the subject to be off limits, then smearing me, and finally changing the subject to Sudan. You owe me an apology. Oh, and by the way, the Israelis did shoot children, bomb and rocket cities in Gaza in 2009, so how on earth do you say "(No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)"?
  - berntb 15y ago
    You have nothing to say about that the Arab countries destroy Palestinians' lives more than Israel ever did? Or my other points re double standards? >>You insinuated that my discussion of Hasbara means that I am some kind of "disgusting" Nazi referencing "traditional anti semitic hate propaganda", when I was linking to the Israeli Citizens Information Council's own website. You wrote that you thought the Jews controlled the information in the US media. That is less than one step from the Zion protocols, quoted in the Hamas charter etc. That is traditional antisemitic conspiracy arguments. >>the Israelis did shoot children, bomb and rocket cities in Gaza in 2009 If an army fight people that hide among civilians, there will be civilian victims. Even if the army follows the war laws. That is very different from targeting and glorifying murdering children, which I wrote about. (And civilians are generally not a direct target for the Israeli army -- Yes, you know the Israelis are evil and want to murder children, but please realise it is bad PR and against their direct interests.)
    - ucee054 15y ago
      > You wrote that you thought the Jews controlled the information in the US media... That is less than one step from the Zion protocols, quoted in the Hamas charter etc. This is not quite what I wrote, but whatever. Even if it were, it's not just the Okhrana, the Nazis and Hamas who say stuff like this either, it is also Zionist lobbyist Haim Saban (Link: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_bruck http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_...) The fact that he said the same thing doesn't make me a pro-Israel billionaire either, anymore than the Protocols make me the Tzarist secret police. The point is that you can dismiss something if it is untrue, not by calling names. You still owe me an apology. > Even if the army follows the war laws. That is very different from targeting and glorifying murdering children, which I wrote about. Israeli Tshirts depict pregnant Palestinians in sniper crosshairs, captioned "one shot two kills". Link: http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15245946 http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15245946 That's two apologies you owe me. > You have nothing to say about that the Arab countries destroy Palestinians' lives more than Israel ever did? How? The Israeli ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians caused the refugee problem in the first place Israeli Link: http://zochrot.org/en http://zochrot.org/en > Or my other points re double standards? Again, see http://mondoweiss.net http://mondoweiss.net But let's say you are right for the sake of argument that "Arab countries hurt Palestinians more than Israel ever did" How is that justification for suppressing the factual reportage "Israeli authorities are threatening to demolish the installations in six of the 16 remote West Bank communities being illuminated by alternative energy, arguing the panels and turbines were installed without permits." ? It is not. You are using untruths and smears to try to suppress the facts.
- ucee054 15y ago
  berntb have a look at http://mondoweiss.net http://mondoweiss.net It is liberal jewish website that criticizes the Sudanese genocide and the treatment of Palestinian refugees by the arab world, seeing as you don't get enough of that from the Swedish media. (Links http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-palestinian-refugees-of-lebanon.html http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-palestinian-refugees-of-le... http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/darfur-part-2-lets-get-to-know-the-sudanese-actors.html http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/darfur-part-2-lets-get-to-know...) Mondoweiss however don't use these stories to cover up Israel's crimes either So you don't have to worry, there aren't "double standards for different groups..."
  - berntb 15y ago
    Good arguments against me claiming all critics of Israel copy and paste from the Zion protocols and that no criticism is possible. Oh wait, I never said that... I'm not surprised by your choice of black/white straw man to "argue" against...
- randomobserver 15y ago
  Based on your posts in this thread I'm really getting the feeling that you're an apologist for the human rights abuses Israel has perpetrated against their Arab citizens. Oh, maybe they aren't actually citizens because they aren't people.
- fredsters_s 15y ago
  I find it depressing when people hate and demonize a whole democracy with very heterogeneous political life ... these people of the Arab world's wait - wut?
  - berntb 15y ago
    Add a "," if you fail to parse. "... from these people, of the Arab world's way of destroying the Palestinian refugees' lives, by refusing to integrate them." Which you certainly realized, fredster_s (in your 4th comment.)

by ucee054 15y ago

berntb 15y ago

Sigh... I flagged the article. Please keep stories like this off HN, it is bad enough with the language wars people. (I follow the Middle East conflict a bit, because it is informative to compare my Swedish media with BBC/NY Times. News items such as Pallywood or torture between Palestinian groups are literally censored.) The basic reason I started to care a bit is because I find it depressing when people hate and demonize a whole democracy with very heterogeneous political life. Especially if said people never criticise neither rocket artillery against cities nor the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.) I have also never seen any criticism from these people of the Arab world's way of destroying the Palestinian refugees' lives, by refusing to integrate them. This is arguably worse than anything Israel has done, even in your description of Israel. And to start talking about organised Jewish propaganda controlling a country's media is straight up disgusting. It smacks of the muslim world's copying of traditional anti semitic hate propaganda. Then we have the muslim world's support of the mass murders in south Sudan, which in number of dead etc must be a thousand times worse than even your description of Israel. Talk about astronomical double standards for different groups... I could continue for a while, but this won't change your opinions. You "know" that it is OK to ignore racist hate propaganda etc etc, since it is done against the evil ones.

joska 15y ago
But who can be against sollar power for hatefull terrorist? Shouldn't terrorist also safe the planet?
Andrew_Quentin 15y ago
How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world? The article is about Israel and Palestine - nothing to do with the Muslim world.
- berntb 15y ago
  >>How did we get from Palestine to the Muslim world? I answered what uce0054 wrote about in the comment tree above, mainly demonizing and double standards. Edit: If you don't really think it is relevant that the main critics of Israel mistreat the Palestinians much more than Israel, it is funny... but not surprising. I've never seen that from an Israel-critic.
ucee054 15y ago
You insinuated that my discussion of Hasbara means that I am some kind of "disgusting" Nazi referencing "traditional anti semitic hate propaganda", when I was linking to the Israeli Citizens Information Council's own website. You may find it "depressing when people hate", well I find it depressing when people can't answer my points and so have to resort to declaring the subject to be off limits, then smearing me, and finally changing the subject to Sudan. You owe me an apology. Oh, and by the way, the Israelis did shoot children, bomb and rocket cities in Gaza in 2009, so how on earth do you say "(No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)"?
- berntb 15y ago
  You have nothing to say about that the Arab countries destroy Palestinians' lives more than Israel ever did? Or my other points re double standards? >>You insinuated that my discussion of Hasbara means that I am some kind of "disgusting" Nazi referencing "traditional anti semitic hate propaganda", when I was linking to the Israeli Citizens Information Council's own website. You wrote that you thought the Jews controlled the information in the US media. That is less than one step from the Zion protocols, quoted in the Hamas charter etc. That is traditional antisemitic conspiracy arguments. >>the Israelis did shoot children, bomb and rocket cities in Gaza in 2009 If an army fight people that hide among civilians, there will be civilian victims. Even if the army follows the war laws. That is very different from targeting and glorifying murdering children, which I wrote about. (And civilians are generally not a direct target for the Israeli army -- Yes, you know the Israelis are evil and want to murder children, but please realise it is bad PR and against their direct interests.)
  - ucee054 15y ago
    > You wrote that you thought the Jews controlled the information in the US media... That is less than one step from the Zion protocols, quoted in the Hamas charter etc. This is not quite what I wrote, but whatever. Even if it were, it's not just the Okhrana, the Nazis and Hamas who say stuff like this either, it is also Zionist lobbyist Haim Saban (Link: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_bruck http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_...) The fact that he said the same thing doesn't make me a pro-Israel billionaire either, anymore than the Protocols make me the Tzarist secret police. The point is that you can dismiss something if it is untrue, not by calling names. You still owe me an apology. > Even if the army follows the war laws. That is very different from targeting and glorifying murdering children, which I wrote about. Israeli Tshirts depict pregnant Palestinians in sniper crosshairs, captioned "one shot two kills". Link: http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15245946 http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15245946 That's two apologies you owe me. > You have nothing to say about that the Arab countries destroy Palestinians' lives more than Israel ever did? How? The Israeli ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians caused the refugee problem in the first place Israeli Link: http://zochrot.org/en http://zochrot.org/en > Or my other points re double standards? Again, see http://mondoweiss.net http://mondoweiss.net But let's say you are right for the sake of argument that "Arab countries hurt Palestinians more than Israel ever did" How is that justification for suppressing the factual reportage "Israeli authorities are threatening to demolish the installations in six of the 16 remote West Bank communities being illuminated by alternative energy, arguing the panels and turbines were installed without permits." ? It is not. You are using untruths and smears to try to suppress the facts.
ucee054 15y ago
berntb have a look at http://mondoweiss.net http://mondoweiss.net It is liberal jewish website that criticizes the Sudanese genocide and the treatment of Palestinian refugees by the arab world, seeing as you don't get enough of that from the Swedish media. (Links http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-palestinian-refugees-of-lebanon.html http://mondoweiss.net/2012/02/the-palestinian-refugees-of-le... http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/darfur-part-2-lets-get-to-know-the-sudanese-actors.html http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/darfur-part-2-lets-get-to-know...) Mondoweiss however don't use these stories to cover up Israel's crimes either So you don't have to worry, there aren't "double standards for different groups..."
- berntb 15y ago
  Good arguments against me claiming all critics of Israel copy and paste from the Zion protocols and that no criticism is possible. Oh wait, I never said that... I'm not surprised by your choice of black/white straw man to "argue" against...
randomobserver 15y ago
Based on your posts in this thread I'm really getting the feeling that you're an apologist for the human rights abuses Israel has perpetrated against their Arab citizens. Oh, maybe they aren't actually citizens because they aren't people.
fredsters_s 15y ago
I find it depressing when people hate and demonize a whole democracy with very heterogeneous political life ... these people of the Arab world's wait - wut?
- berntb 15y ago
  Add a "," if you fail to parse. "... from these people, of the Arab world's way of destroying the Palestinian refugees' lives, by refusing to integrate them." Which you certainly realized, fredster_s (in your 4th comment.)