5 ms·

Isn't the clock ticking, whether you take money or not? I don't know many people who can continue working on an idea without seeing progress of some type. You c

Isn't the clock ticking, whether you take money or not? I don't know many people who can continue working on an idea without seeing progress of some type. You can get demoralized and quit if it's status quo for a long time.

pbreit 15y ago
Sort of, but not nearly as much as after taking pro or semi-pro money.
fleaflicker 15y ago
Yes but then it's on your terms and schedule, not somebody else's.
- walru 15y ago
  If you have any pride in your work then there's always a clock. Whether it measures money, time, progress, or self-worth. The clock is always ticking. For people who don't care about the outcome. The clock doesn't exist.
  - chime 15y ago
    I clicked reply so I could tell you why I disagreed with what you wrote. I take pride in my work but have not been too concerned with the clock. Your implication that this just means I don't care about the outcome felt like a slap in the face. But then the more I thought, the more I realized you were right. Regardless of how much pride I take in my work and how much effort I put in, if I care about the outcome, I have to monitor my progress regularly. I have not been doing it for one of the most important projects of my life and thanks to you, I will start now.
    - nestoras 15y ago
      I clicked reply so that I could tell you that for a moment I envied you. Taking pride in your work while not being too concerned with the clock sounds to me like a perfectly balanced life to pursue. I take extreme pride in my work and I am always aware of the clock ticking. Every. Second. A wise and accomplished person once said to me that in the end nothing remains but personal relationships. Take good care my friend, lest you lose in the process much more important things in life that you are now enjoying.
      - chime 15y ago
        > Taking pride in your work while not being too concerned with the clock sounds to me like a perfectly balanced life to pursue. Indeed. That is exactly how I felt. But it does lead to prioritizing the journey at the expense of the destination i.e. outcome. Hence my realization that I need to pay more attention to the outcome.
patio11 15y ago
There's progress and there's progress. If I 10x AR's revenue this year that is pretty motivational for me. If I had taken money last year, though, aiming for "just" 10x would set me up for a very unpleasant series of conversations when the money ran out. A subtext of this discussion is that taking money means that some outcomes which are wins for the entrepreneur but losses for the moneymen become untenable. (Outcomes which are wins for the moneymen and losses for the entrepreneur, on the other hand...)
- mattmanser 15y ago
  Unpleasant conversations? Seems an odd thing to focus on. They gambled on you in hope of making more money, it didn't pay off. Of course it won't be a fun conversation to have, but why are you worrying about that now?
  - tptacek 15y ago
    He means "I'll be fired from my own company, even though I'll have made more money for the business than I ever had previously".
wisty 15y ago
It's a bad analogy. Once you take investor funding, the die is cast. You can pivot (to some extent, now that investors have learnt what that means), but you can't change the scope of your company. Will it be a lifestyle business, a niche player, or the next big thing?

pbreit 15y ago

Sort of, but not nearly as much as after taking pro or semi-pro money.

fleaflicker 15y ago

Yes but then it's on your terms and schedule, not somebody else's.

walru 15y ago
If you have any pride in your work then there's always a clock. Whether it measures money, time, progress, or self-worth. The clock is always ticking. For people who don't care about the outcome. The clock doesn't exist.
- chime 15y ago
  I clicked reply so I could tell you why I disagreed with what you wrote. I take pride in my work but have not been too concerned with the clock. Your implication that this just means I don't care about the outcome felt like a slap in the face. But then the more I thought, the more I realized you were right. Regardless of how much pride I take in my work and how much effort I put in, if I care about the outcome, I have to monitor my progress regularly. I have not been doing it for one of the most important projects of my life and thanks to you, I will start now.
  - nestoras 15y ago
    I clicked reply so that I could tell you that for a moment I envied you. Taking pride in your work while not being too concerned with the clock sounds to me like a perfectly balanced life to pursue. I take extreme pride in my work and I am always aware of the clock ticking. Every. Second. A wise and accomplished person once said to me that in the end nothing remains but personal relationships. Take good care my friend, lest you lose in the process much more important things in life that you are now enjoying.
    - chime 15y ago
      > Taking pride in your work while not being too concerned with the clock sounds to me like a perfectly balanced life to pursue. Indeed. That is exactly how I felt. But it does lead to prioritizing the journey at the expense of the destination i.e. outcome. Hence my realization that I need to pay more attention to the outcome.

patio11 15y ago

There's progress and there's progress. If I 10x AR's revenue this year that is pretty motivational for me. If I had taken money last year, though, aiming for "just" 10x would set me up for a very unpleasant series of conversations when the money ran out. A subtext of this discussion is that taking money means that some outcomes which are wins for the entrepreneur but losses for the moneymen become untenable. (Outcomes which are wins for the moneymen and losses for the entrepreneur, on the other hand...)

mattmanser 15y ago
Unpleasant conversations? Seems an odd thing to focus on. They gambled on you in hope of making more money, it didn't pay off. Of course it won't be a fun conversation to have, but why are you worrying about that now?
- tptacek 15y ago
  He means "I'll be fired from my own company, even though I'll have made more money for the business than I ever had previously".

wisty 15y ago

It's a bad analogy. Once you take investor funding, the die is cast. You can pivot (to some extent, now that investors have learnt what that means), but you can't change the scope of your company. Will it be a lifestyle business, a niche player, or the next big thing?