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Price seems high for multiple pairs of headsets - that’s going to be hard to justify when you need 5 pairs for a DND session.

vkou 3y ago
I will also point out that ~99% of the fun of table-top RPGs is not pushing miniatures around on a mat, and spending a mountain of money on optimizing the fidelity of that remaining 1% may... Not have the best ROI.
- mustacheemperor 3y ago
  For my gaming group, most of the appeal of Tilt5 isn't "AR Dnd maps", but being able to play complex, multi-piece tabletop games without as much up-front expense or setup time. There's games like Big Trouble in Little China that are a blast to play, but require quite a bit of setup, maneuvering minis around, managing mini character-sheets, etc. If Tilt5 could automate most of that, it would be fantastic. Essentially, let it push the miniatures around for me, to the right places, and without me having to purchase and store the enormous box containing all of the gear. I'm sure Tilt5 takes up a fair bit of space, but so do 10 games of the same complexity as BTiLC! Not to mention the many great games that were only ever sold as a limited release, have gone out of print, etc. Is this actually possible with Tilt5 today? I'm guessing licensing issues would make it a challenge. TableTop Simulator seems to get around licensing by essentially being a big sandbox the community can create anything for, but the application itself is so heavy and complex it's not very fun in practice (IMO, for our group).
  - jonny_eh 3y ago
    Being able to save the state of the board, for easy resuming later, is a killer feature.
- munk-a 3y ago
  I grew up on Rifts, WoD, Warhammer Fantasy RPG and HERO - I've always disliked using minis and having a fancy board setup... but electronic tracking systems have changed that somewhat. I dislike the WH40k-esque cone area of effect measuring systems and similar components but being able to use virtual boards to set up encounters you didn't see the party getting into on the fly is quite a bit more attractive to me. As an improvisational DM I still prefer verbally describing scenes but I can understand the benefit in moving over to these virtual systems.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  The fun of tabletop games is social. It's getting together with your friends and interacting directly with them. I'd have less than zero interest in playing tabletop games if everyone at the table were wearing headsets of any sort. We might as well just play online.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Is it ever sunny when you play tabletop games, resulting in people wearing sunglasses? Do any of your fellow players have vision problems resulting them in wearing regular glasses? Have other players ever worn a face mask around you due to some sort of an unknown pathogen? What is your policy on hats? You're fine with some sorts of headgear, what makes this one so different? From watching the video, even with those headsets on, if Jim on the other side of the table is being the dick he is, I can still throw my beer at him. Which maybe isn't the most social thing there is, but he's always hogging the health packs.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      None of the face appliances you list are actively vying for the attention of the wearer. It makes a pretty big difference. It's like if everyone at the table were paying attention to their phones, except the phones are invisible. The active attention barrier sitting between people in a social setting doesn't bother you, and that's fine. It bothers me and that's fine, too. It just means that this sort of product isn't my thing. It doesn't mean that this is a bad product nobody should use or something.
      - fragmede 3y ago
        I can see the analogy with people being on the phone, in then their phone can only run the same app as everyone else in the room. Have you played SpaceTeam/what is your opinion of it?
bredren 3y ago
For both the combined price of a 3 pack and 2 pack, you’d be halfway to a single Apple Vision Pro! Really, though—isn’t this sort of like the Tiger electronics handheld to the Gameboy? Those things were kinda fun, and definitely cheap, but the writing was on the wall.
- thesuitonym 3y ago
  Could be, but maybe Vision Pro is the Lynx to Tilt Five's Gameboy?
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
    It’s not. They are both Virtualboy.
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      Teleroboxer on the Virtualboy was peak gaming.
- chaostheory 3y ago
  Quest 3 will have better AR functionality too at $499 Demeo is getting mixed AR too https://www.resolutiongames.com/demeo https://www.resolutiongames.com/demeo

vkou 3y ago

I will also point out that ~99% of the fun of table-top RPGs is not pushing miniatures around on a mat, and spending a mountain of money on optimizing the fidelity of that remaining 1% may... Not have the best ROI.

mustacheemperor 3y ago
For my gaming group, most of the appeal of Tilt5 isn't "AR Dnd maps", but being able to play complex, multi-piece tabletop games without as much up-front expense or setup time. There's games like Big Trouble in Little China that are a blast to play, but require quite a bit of setup, maneuvering minis around, managing mini character-sheets, etc. If Tilt5 could automate most of that, it would be fantastic. Essentially, let it push the miniatures around for me, to the right places, and without me having to purchase and store the enormous box containing all of the gear. I'm sure Tilt5 takes up a fair bit of space, but so do 10 games of the same complexity as BTiLC! Not to mention the many great games that were only ever sold as a limited release, have gone out of print, etc. Is this actually possible with Tilt5 today? I'm guessing licensing issues would make it a challenge. TableTop Simulator seems to get around licensing by essentially being a big sandbox the community can create anything for, but the application itself is so heavy and complex it's not very fun in practice (IMO, for our group).
- jonny_eh 3y ago
  Being able to save the state of the board, for easy resuming later, is a killer feature.
munk-a 3y ago
I grew up on Rifts, WoD, Warhammer Fantasy RPG and HERO - I've always disliked using minis and having a fancy board setup... but electronic tracking systems have changed that somewhat. I dislike the WH40k-esque cone area of effect measuring systems and similar components but being able to use virtual boards to set up encounters you didn't see the party getting into on the fly is quite a bit more attractive to me. As an improvisational DM I still prefer verbally describing scenes but I can understand the benefit in moving over to these virtual systems.
JohnFen 3y ago
The fun of tabletop games is social. It's getting together with your friends and interacting directly with them. I'd have less than zero interest in playing tabletop games if everyone at the table were wearing headsets of any sort. We might as well just play online.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Is it ever sunny when you play tabletop games, resulting in people wearing sunglasses? Do any of your fellow players have vision problems resulting them in wearing regular glasses? Have other players ever worn a face mask around you due to some sort of an unknown pathogen? What is your policy on hats? You're fine with some sorts of headgear, what makes this one so different? From watching the video, even with those headsets on, if Jim on the other side of the table is being the dick he is, I can still throw my beer at him. Which maybe isn't the most social thing there is, but he's always hogging the health packs.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    None of the face appliances you list are actively vying for the attention of the wearer. It makes a pretty big difference. It's like if everyone at the table were paying attention to their phones, except the phones are invisible. The active attention barrier sitting between people in a social setting doesn't bother you, and that's fine. It bothers me and that's fine, too. It just means that this sort of product isn't my thing. It doesn't mean that this is a bad product nobody should use or something.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      I can see the analogy with people being on the phone, in then their phone can only run the same app as everyone else in the room. Have you played SpaceTeam/what is your opinion of it?

bredren 3y ago

For both the combined price of a 3 pack and 2 pack, you’d be halfway to a single Apple Vision Pro! Really, though—isn’t this sort of like the Tiger electronics handheld to the Gameboy? Those things were kinda fun, and definitely cheap, but the writing was on the wall.

thesuitonym 3y ago
Could be, but maybe Vision Pro is the Lynx to Tilt Five's Gameboy?
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  It’s not. They are both Virtualboy.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Teleroboxer on the Virtualboy was peak gaming.
chaostheory 3y ago
Quest 3 will have better AR functionality too at $499 Demeo is getting mixed AR too https://www.resolutiongames.com/demeo https://www.resolutiongames.com/demeo