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Via their partnership with MS they can be assumed to be fully government tapped as well. Reminder that MS also owns Mojang, GitHub etc

TeMPOraL 3y ago
MS is actually a mixed blessing, in that it's the one entity that companies will actually trust - once they sign a deal with appropriate provisions. In fact, Microsoft is renting access to OpenAPI models (including GPT-4 and GPT-4-32k) on Azure, at quite hefty premium, and the main (arguably only) selling point is that your company can get strong contractual guarantees wrt. data safety and confidentiality. It's the same deal as with Office and Outlook and SharePoint, etc. - without those strong, auditable guarantees, no large company or government would ever use those products.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Those guarantees do not protect against illegal and pervasive wiretapping. What are you talking about Your position is that room 641A operated according to contractual agreements? lmao
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    My position is that a corporation doing business in the US is already vulnerable to US Government just coming and taking whatever data they want; in fact, as long as government's request has any semblance of legitimacy, e.g. by coming in as a signed and stamped letter from a government agency, corporate will happily hand the data over. After all, the government is not the enemy of a corporation - it's its life-giver and potential customer. Corporations do, however, care about their data being handled in accordance with the law, and safe from competitors and malicious third parties (be they cyber-criminals, kids, foreign intelligence agencies, or journalists). Microsoft, as one of many providers of services to companies of all sizes, offers exactly such safe environment, which is also auditable, and comes with an actual SLA that makes them liable for fuck-ups. This is what serious companies want, and it's why they pay Microsoft and use their services - whether it's Office or SharePoint or Azure AI platform. OpenAI itself doesn't offer any of it, which is why any serious company has put it on a top spot of its shit-list.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      Off topic. Weird that your position this as a good thing when it’s a trap also

TeMPOraL 3y ago

MS is actually a mixed blessing, in that it's the one entity that companies will actually trust - once they sign a deal with appropriate provisions. In fact, Microsoft is renting access to OpenAPI models (including GPT-4 and GPT-4-32k) on Azure, at quite hefty premium, and the main (arguably only) selling point is that your company can get strong contractual guarantees wrt. data safety and confidentiality. It's the same deal as with Office and Outlook and SharePoint, etc. - without those strong, auditable guarantees, no large company or government would ever use those products.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Those guarantees do not protect against illegal and pervasive wiretapping. What are you talking about Your position is that room 641A operated according to contractual agreements? lmao
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  My position is that a corporation doing business in the US is already vulnerable to US Government just coming and taking whatever data they want; in fact, as long as government's request has any semblance of legitimacy, e.g. by coming in as a signed and stamped letter from a government agency, corporate will happily hand the data over. After all, the government is not the enemy of a corporation - it's its life-giver and potential customer. Corporations do, however, care about their data being handled in accordance with the law, and safe from competitors and malicious third parties (be they cyber-criminals, kids, foreign intelligence agencies, or journalists). Microsoft, as one of many providers of services to companies of all sizes, offers exactly such safe environment, which is also auditable, and comes with an actual SLA that makes them liable for fuck-ups. This is what serious companies want, and it's why they pay Microsoft and use their services - whether it's Office or SharePoint or Azure AI platform. OpenAI itself doesn't offer any of it, which is why any serious company has put it on a top spot of its shit-list.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Off topic. Weird that your position this as a good thing when it’s a trap also