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I hate what Salesforce has done to Heroku but after a year of running our saas on aws, render, and fly - here I am, back on Heroku. It sucks, but slightly less

I hate what Salesforce has done to Heroku but after a year of running our saas on aws, render, and fly - here I am, back on Heroku. It sucks, but slightly less than the alternatives. Fly has potential, but they've changed/grown so much that most docs are out of date, everything is buggy, support is not very responsive, and their security posture leaves a lot to be desired. Not a fun place to be production issues pop up.

suryao 3y ago
I'm building Argonaut to be a layer on top of AWS/GCP to make them less sucky. The primary use case is startups that have a bunch of services and have outgrown heroku etc. I'd love to chat if we can help - you get the stability of AWS and a push to deploy dev experience for your apps.
friism 3y ago
(I work at Heroku) Do you have more details on what sucks? Anything we're not already tracking to fix in our public roadmap? https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues
- flippy_flops 3y ago
  Glad to hear there's a roadmap. In my PAAS thrashing I've got quite a few notes: - no wildcard subdomain ssl - poor metrics, nothing per instance - poor dyno granularity - (jumps from 2.5GB RAM to 14, no cpu/storage control) - no transparency on what each dyno actually is - external postgres replication disabled (deal breaker) - no first class postgres metrics and access logs/alerts (kibana recommended, but not great) - no external postgres backups (e.g. S3) - no deletion locks on dynos and add-ons, esp databases!!! - no warning when add-ons like databases are being deleted as a result of apps being deleted - deleting an add-on also irreversibly deletes all replicas and backups - painfully inconsistent naming for databases through their connection str env - dyno types for build processes use Perf-M? Not configurable - No lambda or github action style computing - No scheduled scaling - Unable to choose aws-us regions - Hard 30s timeout limit - Limited to 1 api key per user. No labels, configurable permissions, usage logging - no http/2 - frustrating enterprise offering. massive over-sell, near zero value
  - friism 3y ago
    > dyno types for build processes use Perf-M? Not configurable What are you looking for here? Larger build dynos? Heroku provides the build service for free so we use perf-m dynos to get fast builds with reasonable cost (for us).
anurag 3y ago
(Render CEO) What can Render do better?

suryao 3y ago

I'm building Argonaut to be a layer on top of AWS/GCP to make them less sucky. The primary use case is startups that have a bunch of services and have outgrown heroku etc. I'd love to chat if we can help - you get the stability of AWS and a push to deploy dev experience for your apps.

friism 3y ago

(I work at Heroku) Do you have more details on what sucks? Anything we're not already tracking to fix in our public roadmap? https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues https://github.com/heroku/roadmap/issues

flippy_flops 3y ago
Glad to hear there's a roadmap. In my PAAS thrashing I've got quite a few notes: - no wildcard subdomain ssl - poor metrics, nothing per instance - poor dyno granularity - (jumps from 2.5GB RAM to 14, no cpu/storage control) - no transparency on what each dyno actually is - external postgres replication disabled (deal breaker) - no first class postgres metrics and access logs/alerts (kibana recommended, but not great) - no external postgres backups (e.g. S3) - no deletion locks on dynos and add-ons, esp databases!!! - no warning when add-ons like databases are being deleted as a result of apps being deleted - deleting an add-on also irreversibly deletes all replicas and backups - painfully inconsistent naming for databases through their connection str env - dyno types for build processes use Perf-M? Not configurable - No lambda or github action style computing - No scheduled scaling - Unable to choose aws-us regions - Hard 30s timeout limit - Limited to 1 api key per user. No labels, configurable permissions, usage logging - no http/2 - frustrating enterprise offering. massive over-sell, near zero value
- friism 3y ago
  > dyno types for build processes use Perf-M? Not configurable What are you looking for here? Larger build dynos? Heroku provides the build service for free so we use perf-m dynos to get fast builds with reasonable cost (for us).

anurag 3y ago

(Render CEO) What can Render do better?