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I think you're making the mistake that just because people on the forum have the skills, knowledge, and general capacity to learn a new tool that they are convi

I think you're making the mistake that just because people on the forum have the skills, knowledge, and general capacity to learn a new tool that they are convinced to put in the effort to learn the new tool. Social media specifically has thrived on a culture of extreme low effort to learn how to start having fun with it (think TikTok showing you cool videos, then an easy prompt to sign up, then an immediate "for you" page before you ever need to engage with the TikTok community like commenting, liking, following, etc). The fediverse (and decentralized social media in general) breaks the mold of extreme ease of use and therefore subverts the cultural expectations, thereby violating one of the ways a user would establish if the application is "good", and thereby it looks "bad". It's like, technically X algorithm is a superior algo to use. But I can import Algo Joe's library that's 50 years old and already integrated into every language I know, so I'll do Joe.Sort().

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jtode 3y ago
Perhaps low-effort users are part of the problems we're experiencing? I think maybe it's time to dial back the user-friendliness just a weeeny bit. Anyways, I see zero evidence that Reddit will come back from this conflagration in any sort of good shape, and I see even less evidence that the VC business model is going to do any better with anything else. Edit: Just sitting here thinking about this. Who exactly gets any benefit from low-effort users of a system? The members of the community? Absolutely not. The mods? F%@k no. The site operator who makes money from attention. Get this guy out of the equation and we can have nice things again.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  I actually don't disagree with your point. I'm merely explaining why fediverse-style platforms always get the complaint it sucks because it's harder to use than the centralized alternative, even among a community that should be used to such platforms.
- joemi 3y ago
  You seem to be assuming that everyone who doesn't want to jump through hoops at signup is a low-quality user. This seems like a very flawed (or pretentious?) view. "Low-quality users" are a subset of "users who don't want to jump through hoops at signup", but the subset is small in comparison to the superset.
- calf 3y ago
  My university professors are low effort users. Some of them are even CS adjacent. Selective low effort is what those professors exhibit. But their ideas are valuable and worth publicizing. Twitter is an example of many low-effort scientists writing some good content.
  - jtode 3y ago
    Well, this one got a lot of response heat, I'm picking you to respond to. Twitter is also the current textbook example of the problem with low-effort platforms that are controlled by capital. Like, do I even need to explain this to anyone? Are there still any Musk fanboys in the room who think he's playing 4d chess? But while Twitter circles the drain and the world scrambles to figure out what to use instead, and Mastodon steps up as a competitor which cannot be seized and ruined by capital, ever, Reddit stands firm as the one true platform that got it right! Everyone gazes in awe at the one last hope for the capitalist internet, which seems to be doing just fine. And Reddit looked over at Twitter, and then Reddit looked down like Rorschach, and said... "Hold my Over 8000 beers..."
- kaba0 3y ago
  You can’t just categorize people into being low-effort. Motivation is continuously changing, it is absolutely possible that someone will post an absolutely fascinating comment once they find that great unique context. Also, reddit’s value is exactly that you have very different demographics on each subreddit, and “hearing the voice” of people is the whole point.

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jtode 3y ago

Perhaps low-effort users are part of the problems we're experiencing? I think maybe it's time to dial back the user-friendliness just a weeeny bit. Anyways, I see zero evidence that Reddit will come back from this conflagration in any sort of good shape, and I see even less evidence that the VC business model is going to do any better with anything else. Edit: Just sitting here thinking about this. Who exactly gets any benefit from low-effort users of a system? The members of the community? Absolutely not. The mods? F%@k no. The site operator who makes money from attention. Get this guy out of the equation and we can have nice things again.

EatingWithForks 3y ago
I actually don't disagree with your point. I'm merely explaining why fediverse-style platforms always get the complaint it sucks because it's harder to use than the centralized alternative, even among a community that should be used to such platforms.
joemi 3y ago
You seem to be assuming that everyone who doesn't want to jump through hoops at signup is a low-quality user. This seems like a very flawed (or pretentious?) view. "Low-quality users" are a subset of "users who don't want to jump through hoops at signup", but the subset is small in comparison to the superset.
calf 3y ago
My university professors are low effort users. Some of them are even CS adjacent. Selective low effort is what those professors exhibit. But their ideas are valuable and worth publicizing. Twitter is an example of many low-effort scientists writing some good content.
- jtode 3y ago
  Well, this one got a lot of response heat, I'm picking you to respond to. Twitter is also the current textbook example of the problem with low-effort platforms that are controlled by capital. Like, do I even need to explain this to anyone? Are there still any Musk fanboys in the room who think he's playing 4d chess? But while Twitter circles the drain and the world scrambles to figure out what to use instead, and Mastodon steps up as a competitor which cannot be seized and ruined by capital, ever, Reddit stands firm as the one true platform that got it right! Everyone gazes in awe at the one last hope for the capitalist internet, which seems to be doing just fine. And Reddit looked over at Twitter, and then Reddit looked down like Rorschach, and said... "Hold my Over 8000 beers..."
kaba0 3y ago
You can’t just categorize people into being low-effort. Motivation is continuously changing, it is absolutely possible that someone will post an absolutely fascinating comment once they find that great unique context. Also, reddit’s value is exactly that you have very different demographics on each subreddit, and “hearing the voice” of people is the whole point.