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They are the cities that have to make up the slack for the rest of the country not pulling its weight, and exporting its poverty and problems to them. Or they

by vkou 3y ago

They are the cities that have to make up the slack for the rest of the country not pulling its weight, and exporting its poverty and problems to them. Or they are the cities with the worst housing affordability problems. Or they are just the cities that have these public services. Not a lot of people complaining about homeless people riding the subway in rural Texas, because rural Texas doesn't have a subway. ---- Seattle, by the way, got a 'prosecute everything and restart the war on drugs' city attourney and a 'sweep the homeless away' mayor. Strangely enough, neither policy has done shit to resolve any of the problems. Oh, now the camp isn't in the park, it's on the street bordering the park, what an improvement for everyone... It took the state legislature to fix the city's problem (by banning SFH zoning, and hitting NIMBYs over the head with a stick), and maaaaybe we'll see the fruits of that policy ripen in a decade or two.

zmgsabst 3y ago
Seattle ended up changing to those policies because of their previous “let vagrants do whatever and spend endless amounts on services” failures — and people who pay taxes were understandably upset that negative results were produced for huge sums of money. The situation improved for average people after those changes. > Oh, now the camp isn't in the park, it's on the street bordering the park, what an improvement for everyone Yes, everyone is better off when parks are drug vagrant free and possible to be enjoyed by everyone — even if that policy doesn’t solve every problem. Toxic empathy is saying you should destroy society and afflict everyone with suffering because you haven’t yet created Utopia — and I think the responses to me show why excluding other voices under the guise of “mUh SyStEmS tHiNkInG” failed in cities like Seattle. You need both law and order and compassion for society to flourish. The only part we agree on is that cleaning up the mess is a decade scale challenge — especially now that toxic empathy has taken Seattle down the wrong path for the past decade.
- klyrs 3y ago
  > “mUh SyStEmS tHiNkInG” If you're going to make fun of people like this, you shouldn't expect thoughtful responses.

by vkou 3y ago

zmgsabst 3y ago

Seattle ended up changing to those policies because of their previous “let vagrants do whatever and spend endless amounts on services” failures — and people who pay taxes were understandably upset that negative results were produced for huge sums of money. The situation improved for average people after those changes. > Oh, now the camp isn't in the park, it's on the street bordering the park, what an improvement for everyone Yes, everyone is better off when parks are drug vagrant free and possible to be enjoyed by everyone — even if that policy doesn’t solve every problem. Toxic empathy is saying you should destroy society and afflict everyone with suffering because you haven’t yet created Utopia — and I think the responses to me show why excluding other voices under the guise of “mUh SyStEmS tHiNkInG” failed in cities like Seattle. You need both law and order and compassion for society to flourish. The only part we agree on is that cleaning up the mess is a decade scale challenge — especially now that toxic empathy has taken Seattle down the wrong path for the past decade.

klyrs 3y ago
> “mUh SyStEmS tHiNkInG” If you're going to make fun of people like this, you shouldn't expect thoughtful responses.