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Are you typing "own" instead of "owe"? Why? Also—"people offering" you something doesn't mean it wasn't "forcibly taken." All pirated material, movies, etc ar

by avree 15y ago

Are you typing "own" instead of "owe"? Why? Also—"people offering" you something doesn't mean it wasn't "forcibly taken." All pirated material, movies, etc are forcibly taken by someone. They're ripped from DVDs, captured from telecasts, etc. Just because they're offering it to you doesn't mean that it's free. If I steal something from a store and then give it to you, the item's still stolen.

dlitz 15y ago
> All pirated material, movies, etc are forcibly taken by someone. Really? What force was used to take them?
icebraining 15y ago
Are you typing "own" instead of "owe"? Why? Typo, sorry. Also—"people offering" you something doesn't mean it wasn't "forcibly taken." All pirated material, movies, etc are forcibly taken by someone. They're ripped from DVDs, captured from telecasts, etc. Just because they're offering it to you doesn't mean that it's free. They did not forcibly took it: they bought the DVD, Blueray and/or access to the telecast. It's theirs. If I steal something from a store and then give it to you, the item's still stolen. Yes, but it's not what's happening here, so that's irrelevant.
- robryan 15y ago
  What if the DVD they brought comes with terms preventing them from distributing it?
  - icebraining 15y ago
    Just like where I live a term saying I waive my right to a warranty is considered abusive and void, so would be such terms, in my opinion, even if legally valid. What's next, the guy who sold me my house deciding who can I invite to it?
    - robryan 15y ago
      I think with a house a better example is that after buying te house you still have to pay council rates (you do here at least). The person selling your the house transfered you all their rights to it, the house though comes with the stipulation you have to pay the rates.
      - icebraining 15y ago
        That's not a condition imposed by the previous owner. It's not buying the house that comes with that stipulation, it's having one, regardless of how it came to your possession.
    - jiggy2011 15y ago
      You might buy a physical item (say a DVD) from a shop but the contents of the DVD are separately licensed. Obviously this a somewhat convoluted arrangement. The economic difference is that when you buy something like say a car the person selling it will price it roughly as cost for them to acquire/make + tax + profit margin. If you wanted to actually buy a piece of music the price that you paid would have to at least equal the cost to produce it, so you'd be paying say $10,000+ for a CD. Of course then you would be free to do what you wanted with it, such as put it on the Internet for free download but pretty quickly you'd realise you were getting a bum deal so would want to at least get some of the money you paid for it back from other people who were enjoying it.
      - icebraining 15y ago
        If you wanted to actually buy a piece of music the price that you paid would have to at least equal the cost to produce it, so you'd be paying say $10,000+ for a CD. Nope. I don't have to pay for the costs of the whole R&D required to create my car either - millions, no doubt - just for the costs to produce that particular copy, plus a small profit that will obviously pay for a very small slice of the real cost of producing the car. Same with that piece of music.
        jiggy2011 15y ago
- nirvdrum 15y ago
  I've now got a funny picture in my head of there being good distributors and bad distributors based on whether they initially purchased the material or not. Sorta like buying organic foods, only in this case seeking out torrents from those that produce a receipt showing they're legitimately good guys.

by avree 15y ago

dlitz 15y ago

> All pirated material, movies, etc are forcibly taken by someone. Really? What force was used to take them?

icebraining 15y ago

Are you typing "own" instead of "owe"? Why? Typo, sorry. Also—"people offering" you something doesn't mean it wasn't "forcibly taken." All pirated material, movies, etc are forcibly taken by someone. They're ripped from DVDs, captured from telecasts, etc. Just because they're offering it to you doesn't mean that it's free. They did not forcibly took it: they bought the DVD, Blueray and/or access to the telecast. It's theirs. If I steal something from a store and then give it to you, the item's still stolen. Yes, but it's not what's happening here, so that's irrelevant.

robryan 15y ago
What if the DVD they brought comes with terms preventing them from distributing it?
- icebraining 15y ago
  Just like where I live a term saying I waive my right to a warranty is considered abusive and void, so would be such terms, in my opinion, even if legally valid. What's next, the guy who sold me my house deciding who can I invite to it?
  - robryan 15y ago
    I think with a house a better example is that after buying te house you still have to pay council rates (you do here at least). The person selling your the house transfered you all their rights to it, the house though comes with the stipulation you have to pay the rates.
    - icebraining 15y ago
      That's not a condition imposed by the previous owner. It's not buying the house that comes with that stipulation, it's having one, regardless of how it came to your possession.
  - jiggy2011 15y ago
    You might buy a physical item (say a DVD) from a shop but the contents of the DVD are separately licensed. Obviously this a somewhat convoluted arrangement. The economic difference is that when you buy something like say a car the person selling it will price it roughly as cost for them to acquire/make + tax + profit margin. If you wanted to actually buy a piece of music the price that you paid would have to at least equal the cost to produce it, so you'd be paying say $10,000+ for a CD. Of course then you would be free to do what you wanted with it, such as put it on the Internet for free download but pretty quickly you'd realise you were getting a bum deal so would want to at least get some of the money you paid for it back from other people who were enjoying it.
    - icebraining 15y ago
      If you wanted to actually buy a piece of music the price that you paid would have to at least equal the cost to produce it, so you'd be paying say $10,000+ for a CD. Nope. I don't have to pay for the costs of the whole R&D required to create my car either - millions, no doubt - just for the costs to produce that particular copy, plus a small profit that will obviously pay for a very small slice of the real cost of producing the car. Same with that piece of music.
      - jiggy2011 15y ago
nirvdrum 15y ago
I've now got a funny picture in my head of there being good distributors and bad distributors based on whether they initially purchased the material or not. Sorta like buying organic foods, only in this case seeking out torrents from those that produce a receipt showing they're legitimately good guys.