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I think it’s fine that used cars (for now) are ICE. We’re still supply constrained on making and selling electric cars, so taking a bunch of ICE off the road wo

I think it’s fine that used cars (for now) are ICE. We’re still supply constrained on making and selling electric cars, so taking a bunch of ICE off the road would only raise prices. Part of environmentalism is knowing when not to buy new. What we should do is a cash-for-clunkers exclusively for trucks and SUVs that get replaced with electric sedans. They’re lower fuel efficiency, and way more dangerous.

JohnFen 3y ago
> I think it’s fine that used cars (for now) are ICE I hope that I'll be able to buy used ICE cars for the remainder of my life, at least. I've soured on all modern cars, and especially electric cars, because of their data connections. That's a dealbreaker for me.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  If you manage to find an electric model that allows you to pull the modem, that represents ultimate freedom. Think about it: Right now you are dependent on gas stations which can collect info on your transactions via CC or when you visit via surveillance. With electric, if you set up a solar panel and battery system you have a greater ability to stay private by detaching from the grid and external dependencies(at least until you need to buy a part to fix/maintain your car). Right now is probably the golden era because its before a lot of the OEM have gotten their act together on making a fully locked down system like Tesla but it still is the EV era so you benefit from the example above.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > If you manage to find an electric model that allows you to pull the modem, that represents ultimate freedom. Yes, I agree. But it's not a thing that would impact my life enough to bother hacking to accomplish it. I can just buy old ICE cars and be fine. I only have a limited amount of time in each day, and I have to prioritize things.
    - nebula8804 3y ago
      >But it's not a thing that would impact my life enough to bother hacking to accomplish it. Well then you have a limit to how much you actually care about your privacy. So really whats the ultimate point then?
    - mdhen 3y ago
      Sounds to me like you just don't like change. If you actually valued privacy this would not be your answer.
- jfengel 3y ago
  Buying used ICE cars is likely for the rest of your life, unless you are extremely young. Gasoline, however, may become harder to come by. You may have to plan your long-distance trips around the remaining gas stations. I imagine that by then there will be apps to help you plan that trip.

JohnFen 3y ago

> I think it’s fine that used cars (for now) are ICE I hope that I'll be able to buy used ICE cars for the remainder of my life, at least. I've soured on all modern cars, and especially electric cars, because of their data connections. That's a dealbreaker for me.

nebula8804 3y ago
If you manage to find an electric model that allows you to pull the modem, that represents ultimate freedom. Think about it: Right now you are dependent on gas stations which can collect info on your transactions via CC or when you visit via surveillance. With electric, if you set up a solar panel and battery system you have a greater ability to stay private by detaching from the grid and external dependencies(at least until you need to buy a part to fix/maintain your car). Right now is probably the golden era because its before a lot of the OEM have gotten their act together on making a fully locked down system like Tesla but it still is the EV era so you benefit from the example above.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > If you manage to find an electric model that allows you to pull the modem, that represents ultimate freedom. Yes, I agree. But it's not a thing that would impact my life enough to bother hacking to accomplish it. I can just buy old ICE cars and be fine. I only have a limited amount of time in each day, and I have to prioritize things.
  - nebula8804 3y ago
    >But it's not a thing that would impact my life enough to bother hacking to accomplish it. Well then you have a limit to how much you actually care about your privacy. So really whats the ultimate point then?
  - mdhen 3y ago
    Sounds to me like you just don't like change. If you actually valued privacy this would not be your answer.
jfengel 3y ago
Buying used ICE cars is likely for the rest of your life, unless you are extremely young. Gasoline, however, may become harder to come by. You may have to plan your long-distance trips around the remaining gas stations. I imagine that by then there will be apps to help you plan that trip.