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...so that the admins of reddit can exploit their content instead?

veave 3y ago
Letting users create a database of knowledge with the premise that it will be available and then massively deleting (or hiding) that knowledge is abusive. The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). The day they do it I will call them out for it, but by now, it's the mods.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  > The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). Haven't they? Isn't making the API economically unfeasible to use limiting access? My personal plan is to delete all my posts and my account once Apollo goes down. I made most of that content using Apollo, so it seems fitting.
- monnok 3y ago
  I personally contend that the official Reddit app has already hidden that knowledge. And that it is abusive. As do many others. We are overwhelmed by the urgent imminence of deliberate enshitification. Waiting to be “surprised” is insanity at this point. I’m not having a fun time with this blackout, but Reddit will be effectively blacked out for me the moment old.reddit goes away. I might as well try changing my diet now, if I’m otherwise going to be forced to change it anyway once doing nothing different leads to diabetes in the near future. I don’t own my contributions any more than the mods do. My contributions exist only in the context of moderated mass discussion, and in the context of mass audience participation. All broad changes to the context of this collaboration are abusive… and I’m throwing my lot in with the abuses of the mods doing blackout right now.
carlosjobim 3y ago
So that everybody can exploit the content. When you post comments and threads on a public message board, you are giving it away for free with the expectation that it will be available for the whole world to see. It has been like this since the beginning. Since Usenet, phpBB and everything in between up until now. Should librarians be allowed to close public libraries and make them an exclusive club because they work there and have been organizing the shelves?
- generj 3y ago
  Librarians are allowed to strike, closing down public libraries.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    That's a strike, fine. What about closing the library with all books inside and only allowing their friends in, like in my example? What about burning down the library?
seydor 3y ago
Isn't that the point of the website?

Letting users create a database of knowledge with the premise that it will be available and then massively deleting (or hiding) that knowledge is abusive. The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). The day they do it I will call them out for it, but by now, it's the mods.

AlexandrB 3y ago
> The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). Haven't they? Isn't making the API economically unfeasible to use limiting access? My personal plan is to delete all my posts and my account once Apollo goes down. I made most of that content using Apollo, so it seems fitting.
monnok 3y ago
I personally contend that the official Reddit app has already hidden that knowledge. And that it is abusive. As do many others. We are overwhelmed by the urgent imminence of deliberate enshitification. Waiting to be “surprised” is insanity at this point. I’m not having a fun time with this blackout, but Reddit will be effectively blacked out for me the moment old.reddit goes away. I might as well try changing my diet now, if I’m otherwise going to be forced to change it anyway once doing nothing different leads to diabetes in the near future. I don’t own my contributions any more than the mods do. My contributions exist only in the context of moderated mass discussion, and in the context of mass audience participation. All broad changes to the context of this collaboration are abusive… and I’m throwing my lot in with the abuses of the mods doing blackout right now.

carlosjobim 3y ago

So that everybody can exploit the content. When you post comments and threads on a public message board, you are giving it away for free with the expectation that it will be available for the whole world to see. It has been like this since the beginning. Since Usenet, phpBB and everything in between up until now. Should librarians be allowed to close public libraries and make them an exclusive club because they work there and have been organizing the shelves?

generj 3y ago
Librarians are allowed to strike, closing down public libraries.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  That's a strike, fine. What about closing the library with all books inside and only allowing their friends in, like in my example? What about burning down the library?

seydor 3y ago

Isn't that the point of the website?