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I hope the admins of reddit will start taking control of the closed subs and opening them up. The content of each one of those subs has been written by the user

by veave 3y ago

I hope the admins of reddit will start taking control of the closed subs and opening them up. The content of each one of those subs has been written by the users and it makes no sense that a handful of mods are taking the content and holding it hostage by keeping the subs private. If I were a contributor to one of those subs (for example by posting answers to programming questions) I would be fuming.

Fauntleroy 3y ago
...so that the admins of reddit can exploit their content instead?
- veave 3y ago
  Letting users create a database of knowledge with the premise that it will be available and then massively deleting (or hiding) that knowledge is abusive. The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). The day they do it I will call them out for it, but by now, it's the mods.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    > The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). Haven't they? Isn't making the API economically unfeasible to use limiting access? My personal plan is to delete all my posts and my account once Apollo goes down. I made most of that content using Apollo, so it seems fitting.
  - monnok 3y ago
    I personally contend that the official Reddit app has already hidden that knowledge. And that it is abusive. As do many others. We are overwhelmed by the urgent imminence of deliberate enshitification. Waiting to be “surprised” is insanity at this point. I’m not having a fun time with this blackout, but Reddit will be effectively blacked out for me the moment old.reddit goes away. I might as well try changing my diet now, if I’m otherwise going to be forced to change it anyway once doing nothing different leads to diabetes in the near future. I don’t own my contributions any more than the mods do. My contributions exist only in the context of moderated mass discussion, and in the context of mass audience participation. All broad changes to the context of this collaboration are abusive… and I’m throwing my lot in with the abuses of the mods doing blackout right now.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  So that everybody can exploit the content. When you post comments and threads on a public message board, you are giving it away for free with the expectation that it will be available for the whole world to see. It has been like this since the beginning. Since Usenet, phpBB and everything in between up until now. Should librarians be allowed to close public libraries and make them an exclusive club because they work there and have been organizing the shelves?
  - generj 3y ago
    Librarians are allowed to strike, closing down public libraries.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      That's a strike, fine. What about closing the library with all books inside and only allowing their friends in, like in my example? What about burning down the library?
- seydor 3y ago
  Isn't that the point of the website?
pseudalopex 3y ago
The active users voted to go private in many cases.
- OnlyLys 3y ago
  This seems to be what I've observed as well. Across many subreddits, the announcements to participate in the blackout were highly upvoted (>90%), while announcements against participation were heavily downvoted. Examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/146xzgk/meta_tomorrow_askhistorians_will_go_private/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/146xzgk/meta... https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/145s613/rgames_and_the_june_1214_shutdown/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/145s613/rgames_and_t...
  - Kiro 3y ago
    That was only for the initial 48 hours blackout.
- seydor 3y ago
  only a handful of subscribers voted in each of these polls. And we know that the most motivated people cared enough to vote, the vast majority of people do not care about this There were a lot of people protesting the protest in r/modCoord but they started banning them
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    Polls I saw were very active for their groups. People who opposed going private has equal opportunity to vote. People who abstained abstained. More important votes are decided all the time by the people who cared enough to vote. r/modCoord has negative comments minutes to days old. Criticism is not banned evidently. How did the banned protest the protest? Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind?
    - seydor 3y ago
      > Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind No idea it is their channel The issue is, they should not be allowed to coordinate site-wide. The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.
dehrmann 3y ago
Or those users could go start a competing subreddit.

by veave 3y ago

Fauntleroy 3y ago

...so that the admins of reddit can exploit their content instead?

veave 3y ago
Letting users create a database of knowledge with the premise that it will be available and then massively deleting (or hiding) that knowledge is abusive. The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). The day they do it I will call them out for it, but by now, it's the mods.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  > The admins of reddit haven't done so (yet). Haven't they? Isn't making the API economically unfeasible to use limiting access? My personal plan is to delete all my posts and my account once Apollo goes down. I made most of that content using Apollo, so it seems fitting.
- monnok 3y ago
  I personally contend that the official Reddit app has already hidden that knowledge. And that it is abusive. As do many others. We are overwhelmed by the urgent imminence of deliberate enshitification. Waiting to be “surprised” is insanity at this point. I’m not having a fun time with this blackout, but Reddit will be effectively blacked out for me the moment old.reddit goes away. I might as well try changing my diet now, if I’m otherwise going to be forced to change it anyway once doing nothing different leads to diabetes in the near future. I don’t own my contributions any more than the mods do. My contributions exist only in the context of moderated mass discussion, and in the context of mass audience participation. All broad changes to the context of this collaboration are abusive… and I’m throwing my lot in with the abuses of the mods doing blackout right now.
carlosjobim 3y ago
So that everybody can exploit the content. When you post comments and threads on a public message board, you are giving it away for free with the expectation that it will be available for the whole world to see. It has been like this since the beginning. Since Usenet, phpBB and everything in between up until now. Should librarians be allowed to close public libraries and make them an exclusive club because they work there and have been organizing the shelves?
- generj 3y ago
  Librarians are allowed to strike, closing down public libraries.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    That's a strike, fine. What about closing the library with all books inside and only allowing their friends in, like in my example? What about burning down the library?
seydor 3y ago
Isn't that the point of the website?

pseudalopex 3y ago

The active users voted to go private in many cases.

OnlyLys 3y ago
This seems to be what I've observed as well. Across many subreddits, the announcements to participate in the blackout were highly upvoted (>90%), while announcements against participation were heavily downvoted. Examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/146xzgk/meta_tomorrow_askhistorians_will_go_private/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/146xzgk/meta... https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/145s613/rgames_and_the_june_1214_shutdown/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/145s613/rgames_and_t...
- Kiro 3y ago
  That was only for the initial 48 hours blackout.
seydor 3y ago
only a handful of subscribers voted in each of these polls. And we know that the most motivated people cared enough to vote, the vast majority of people do not care about this There were a lot of people protesting the protest in r/modCoord but they started banning them
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  Polls I saw were very active for their groups. People who opposed going private has equal opportunity to vote. People who abstained abstained. More important votes are decided all the time by the people who cared enough to vote. r/modCoord has negative comments minutes to days old. Criticism is not banned evidently. How did the banned protest the protest? Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind?
  - seydor 3y ago
    > Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind No idea it is their channel The issue is, they should not be allowed to coordinate site-wide. The whole point of subreddits is to have separate competing communities, not to coordinate.

dehrmann 3y ago

Or those users could go start a competing subreddit.