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I don’t see this approach as a viable one, but time will tell. I never subscribed to the Startrek subreddit, but having it on an isolated website instead of bee

I don’t see this approach as a viable one, but time will tell. I never subscribed to the Startrek subreddit, but having it on an isolated website instead of been agglomerated on a solution like Reddit will have an engagement decrease, especially when people who subscribed to the sub still participates in other subreddits.

fsflover 3y ago
> isolated website Did you hear about federation?
- davidcollantes 3y ago
  I understand it is federated, apologies. What I meant was, to engage with the new StarTrek Lemmy you need to know their address. On Reddit everything is at https://reddit.com/ https://reddit.com/. It is frictionless.
  - Stephen304 3y ago
    I'm not sure if you're aware, but only the first remote user needs to know the address. After that the content gets federated to the feeds of other instances automatically, including the new/hot pages where popular upvoted posts from the star trek instance can show up on the front page of other instances, allowing new people to discover, join the "sublemmy", and comment often without realizing it's hosted on a different server.
    - slindsey 3y ago
      Based on my mastodon experience, it's a little more nuanced than that. You are on a server (not the star trek one). Someone on your server needs to follow stuff on that star trek server for it to show up on your server. So if your community is mostly about fishing and no one likes star trek but you, you'll never see it unless you go looking for it.
      - Izkata 3y ago
        What? That sounds like a great way to pollute the tightly focused fishing server... There's got to be something more to it, right?
  - fsflover 3y ago
    It seems you just got used to Reddit. I don't see how knowing the subreddit is (much) easier than knowing a website.
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    No? Why would you need to know the address? Also, that is not even true on reddit: you don't need to know whether it is /r/startrek or star_trek or trekkies or whatever; you just search, done.
  - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
    Go check out join-lemmy.org, it's a lot more user friendly than you might think!
- nerdbert 3y ago
  > Did you hear about federation? I feel like we're not getting nearly as many /r/startrek jokes as we should be at this point.
nottorp 3y ago
> will have an engagement decrease That's great! A community should have interesting discussion, not engagement!
- bazmattaz 3y ago
  Well unless it’s lack of engagement from the most valuable users.
unshavedyak 3y ago
Yea, there's definitely advantages to everyone being on Facebook. Many of us are focusing on the disadvantages of a single platform ruling all communities, though. Software wise (Lemmy/Kbin/etc), it's definitely not for the faint of heart currently but that will improve in time. For me though the biggest thing is "One platform to rule them all" is not viable. It will have issues, users will suffer, and this isn't some unique thing we've never seen before. The more quickly we can regain some aspect of "the web" in favor of users, the better. In my book.
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  I think we need a federated facebook replacement and a federated image server, but I don't know how to go about building this myself.
  - unshavedyak 3y ago
    Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about ActivityPub. I'm in the process of learning it now for some software i'm writing, but take everything i say with a lethal dose of salt. I'm venturing into ActivityPub myself, though focused on UX of link Aggs, mostly. One issue i've seen so far with Mastodon/etc, is that AP works decently for cheap stuff, but expensive stuff like Images and Video still have significant cost. I believe with Mastodon it's all hosted from the source location. Ie you run `tinymastoinstance.com` and one of your "Toots" with videos/images goes viral in federated instances, i think pretty much everyone is pulling the image from your instance. Not sure how much they try to federate the heavy stuff. Hypothetically they can of course.. but i'm just not sure what the AP spec says about that. It's of significant concern to me, though, since i'm wanting to build software for micro-AP instances and hotlinking files on a micro instance will almost assuredly burn the instance down. Facebook on the otherhand though, seems totally viable. Identity duplication is probably the biggest issue AP has with a more identify focused application like Facebook. Notably as i learned the other day there's nothing in the AP spec for persisting identities across instances. No private key you can reuse on new instances to identify yourself as the same user, etc.
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fsflover 3y ago

> isolated website Did you hear about federation?

davidcollantes 3y ago
I understand it is federated, apologies. What I meant was, to engage with the new StarTrek Lemmy you need to know their address. On Reddit everything is at https://reddit.com/ https://reddit.com/. It is frictionless.
- Stephen304 3y ago
  I'm not sure if you're aware, but only the first remote user needs to know the address. After that the content gets federated to the feeds of other instances automatically, including the new/hot pages where popular upvoted posts from the star trek instance can show up on the front page of other instances, allowing new people to discover, join the "sublemmy", and comment often without realizing it's hosted on a different server.
  - slindsey 3y ago
    Based on my mastodon experience, it's a little more nuanced than that. You are on a server (not the star trek one). Someone on your server needs to follow stuff on that star trek server for it to show up on your server. So if your community is mostly about fishing and no one likes star trek but you, you'll never see it unless you go looking for it.
    - Izkata 3y ago
      What? That sounds like a great way to pollute the tightly focused fishing server... There's got to be something more to it, right?
- fsflover 3y ago
  It seems you just got used to Reddit. I don't see how knowing the subreddit is (much) easier than knowing a website.
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  No? Why would you need to know the address? Also, that is not even true on reddit: you don't need to know whether it is /r/startrek or star_trek or trekkies or whatever; you just search, done.
- karmakurtisaani 3y ago
  Go check out join-lemmy.org, it's a lot more user friendly than you might think!
nerdbert 3y ago
> Did you hear about federation? I feel like we're not getting nearly as many /r/startrek jokes as we should be at this point.

nottorp 3y ago

> will have an engagement decrease That's great! A community should have interesting discussion, not engagement!

bazmattaz 3y ago
Well unless it’s lack of engagement from the most valuable users.

unshavedyak 3y ago

Yea, there's definitely advantages to everyone being on Facebook. Many of us are focusing on the disadvantages of a single platform ruling all communities, though. Software wise (Lemmy/Kbin/etc), it's definitely not for the faint of heart currently but that will improve in time. For me though the biggest thing is "One platform to rule them all" is not viable. It will have issues, users will suffer, and this isn't some unique thing we've never seen before. The more quickly we can regain some aspect of "the web" in favor of users, the better. In my book.

BizarroLand 3y ago
I think we need a federated facebook replacement and a federated image server, but I don't know how to go about building this myself.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about ActivityPub. I'm in the process of learning it now for some software i'm writing, but take everything i say with a lethal dose of salt. I'm venturing into ActivityPub myself, though focused on UX of link Aggs, mostly. One issue i've seen so far with Mastodon/etc, is that AP works decently for cheap stuff, but expensive stuff like Images and Video still have significant cost. I believe with Mastodon it's all hosted from the source location. Ie you run `tinymastoinstance.com` and one of your "Toots" with videos/images goes viral in federated instances, i think pretty much everyone is pulling the image from your instance. Not sure how much they try to federate the heavy stuff. Hypothetically they can of course.. but i'm just not sure what the AP spec says about that. It's of significant concern to me, though, since i'm wanting to build software for micro-AP instances and hotlinking files on a micro instance will almost assuredly burn the instance down. Facebook on the otherhand though, seems totally viable. Identity duplication is probably the biggest issue AP has with a more identify focused application like Facebook. Notably as i learned the other day there's nothing in the AP spec for persisting identities across instances. No private key you can reuse on new instances to identify yourself as the same user, etc.

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