> After writing primarily no standard library C for 15 years, I have to say that I find Rust just as ugly and cumbersome as C++ (not debating its safety guarant

> After writing primarily no standard library C for 15 years, I have to say that I find Rust just as ugly and cumbersome as C++ (not debating its safety guarantees). The safety guarantees are the whole point compared to C. So what’s the point of complaining about how things are cumbersome when you just elide that whole side of the debate? I could complain about how C is too cumbersome with the proviso that I don’t care about portability or efficiency. But then what would the point be?